What wire to use when spurring a circuit onto additional sockets?

[liamj2003]

I am wishing to extend and install some new sockets close to an existing socket in a room, I am a complete newbie when it comes to electrics although sensible and aware of the dangers, I want to install some additional power sockets in my living room but unsure what wire i need to use.

I am aware that this is an easy question but i dont know the answer so appreciate the help and if a few people could answer to confirm its right.

Once i know ill order some on ebay.

Many Thanks!!

 

[davelerave]

don't order too much cable off ebay anyway

 

[DurhamSparky]

you will require 2.5mm Twin and Earth, additionally you will also require earth Sleeving to sleeve the Bare Earth when stripping back.

go to toolstation / screw fix... you can buy cable in 10-15m lenghts prepacked!! much better than evil bay !! at least you know what your buying is Basec Approved

 

[nelson19]

aye, 2.5mm2 t+e.

 

[bugsy]

You need to ask Jason James

 

[DurhamSparky]

just use extension cables or that bit of lawnmower cable in the shed!

 

[sparkiegaz]

why not pay a spark to do it for you,,,

 

[davelerave]

i use the ebay stuff for 110v sockets

no need for a traffo

 

[cbw]

Bell wire is cheaper and you dont need to buy earth sleaving as it does not have that annoying bare cable.

 

[DurhamSparky]

or speaker cable!!! lol....

 

[cbw]

I have a picture somewhere of a lighting circuit done in speaker cable....will find it

 

[sparkiegaz]

bet they didnt hear that comming

 

[DurhamSparky]

well the customer died so no remedial work to carry out or law suit to worry about as all evidence was burnt and destroyed!! rocker was so so lucky on that one!!! typical ginger attitude to electrics!!

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I am wishing to extend and install some new sockets close to an existing socket in a room, I am a complete newbie when it comes to electrics although sensible and aware of the dangers, I want to install some additional power sockets in my living room but unsure what wire i need to use.

I am aware that this is an easy question but i dont know the answer so appreciate the help and if a few people could answer to confirm its right.

Once i know ill order some on ebay.

Many Thanks!!

You are unsure of what you are doing. you don't have the appropriate equipment or knowledge to ensure that the installation is in a safe condition to take the additional extension to the circuit.

Fitting a socket is not rocket science I have to admit, but it needs to be done properly and safely.

Cheers.......Howard

 

[robsparky1975]

whats happened to the op has he foxtrot oscard

 

[davelerave]

prob one of the mods here having a laugh

 

[steve k]

Crikey, you lot make a simple task seem so complicated.

Your man Durham Spark offered what seems like good advice to a chap asking about extending a few sockets, bearing in mind the chap is going to do it himself anyway. Now you lot have inferred that his house will burn down if he happens to use bell wire on the off chance he may have it in his shed ????

Your job/profession really is not as complicated as you lot think it is. A basic grasp of "O Level" physics is all it amounts to. Where is the speciality?

Steve

 

[Adam W]

Crikey, you lot make a simple task seem so complicated.

Your man Durham Spark offered what seems like good advice to a chap asking about extending a few sockets, bearing in mind the chap is going to do it himself anyway. Now you lot have inferred that his house will burn down if he happens to use bell wire on the off chance he may have it in his shed ????

Your job/profession really is not as complicated as you lot think it is. A basic grasp of "O Level" physics is all it amounts to. Where is the speciality?

Steve

Cable calcs? Maximum demand? Regs?
I'm thinking of going into IT - I can already use a forum, and I have my own screwdriver.

 

[Adam W]

Or a "ventilation engineer" - sucking air in and blowing it out again. Easy. Anyone who can breathe can do that.

 

[Hawk81]

Crikey, you lot make a simple task seem so complicated.

Your man Durham Spark offered what seems like good advice to a chap asking about extending a few sockets, bearing in mind the chap is going to do it himself anyway. Now you lot have inferred that his house will burn down if he happens to use bell wire on the off chance he may have it in his shed ????

Your job/profession really is not as complicated as you lot think it is. A basic grasp of "O Level" physics is all it amounts to. Where is the speciality?

Steve

Steve I will agree with you on one point and one point alone. There were a lot of unhelpful answers to the op but I think you will find most were intended as a jole. Now the rest of what you said was complete and utter tripe. How dare you belittle a trade which actially if done correctly is very complicated and difficult. Yes it is easy to wire a doulbe socket but all the cable calculations which include many factors and then the tests after to ensure all is well can not be done by the average DIYer. People like you seem to forget electricity is dangerous and not something for people to have a go at willy nilly. Think before you write such rubbish again.

 

[steve k]

Or a "ventilation engineer" - sucking air in and blowing it out again. Easy. Anyone who can breathe can do that.

Typical spark, can't read.... only quote. Often incorrectly.

I put my ventilation work as secondary, and my electrical work is perhaps tertiary.
My main business is refrigeration and air conditioning. Unfortunately we can seldom find "electricians" who understand the schematics of the basic control strategies we use in simple BMS's...........so I have decided to employ and train my own......

If any of you specialist are up for the challenge...

Steve

 

[Paul.M]

Things you need to consider when adding extra sockets.

Is it a ring or a radial? Are you going to spur from the ring? What is the flc of that circuit? Do you need additional protect (rcd)? The Zs, VD, Cg, Ca, Ci, Ct, If, It, In and the Ipf of the cable? Is the Zs within limits? After installing it can you test it, give a cert and notify the works?

It may not be rocket science but there's more to it than just banging another socket in the wall.

 

[Hawk81]

Typical spark, can't read.... only quote. Often incorrectly.

I put my ventilation work as secondary, and my electrical work is perhaps tertiary.
My main business is refrigeration and air conditioning. Unfortunately we can seldom find "electricians" who understand the schematics of the basic control strategies we use in simple BMS's...........so I have decided to employ and train my own......

If any of you specialist are up for the challenge...

Steve

Well you are my new hero!

 

[Adam W]

Typical spark, can't read.... only quote. Often incorrectly.

I put my ventilation work as secondary, and my electrical work is perhaps tertiary.
My main business is refrigeration and air conditioning. Unfortunately we can seldom find "electricians" who understand the schematics of the basic control strategies we use in simple BMS's...........so I have decided to employ and train my own......

If any of you specialist are up for the challenge...

Steve

Sorry, did I miss something?
I can do air conditioning - you don't need to "understand the schematics of the basic control strategies we use in simple BMS's" it's all plug & play, a monkey could do it.

 

[keith915]

Yes, 'O' Level physics is all you need to understand how electricity works. Play around with a bit of constantan wire and understand electron flow. Brill.

To ensure electricity is safe, that's another ball game entirely.

When there's a problem with water pipes, there's a leak
Problem with gas, you can usually smell it.
Problem with electrics... oh wait, someones just died from an electric shock or a housefire.... Were there any warning signs? No.

But wait, "the electrics were working fine before that happened".

 

[steve k]

Sorry, did I miss something?
I can do air conditioning - you don't need to "understand the schematics of the basic control strategies we use in simple BMS's" it's all plug & play, a monkey could do it.

Judging by this response a few birthdays. How old are you?

plug and play now I know at exactly what level you ply your trade. You may be able to baffle Mrs Green when her door bell doesn't work, but you will have to step up a gear if you want to work in the trade.

LOL Plug and Play Lolllllllll


Steve

 

[Hawk81]

Steve have you missed my first reply to you and what paul.m said?

 

[Paul.M]

Judging by this response a few birthdays. How old are you?

plug and play now I know at exactly what level you ply your trade. You may be able to baffle Mrs Green when her door bell doesn't work, but you will have to step up a gear if you want to work in the trade.

LOL Plug and Play Lolllllllll


Steve

Steve you've only just past your 2382? Your condescending comments on this subject is not warranted. Sounds like you've had some bad experiences with sparkys that you've employed. Are you sure they were rubbish or was it the management?

 

[Adam W]

Judging by this response a few birthdays. How old are you?

plug and play now I know at exactly what level you ply your trade. You may be able to baffle Mrs Green when her door bell doesn't work, but you will have to step up a gear if you want to work in the trade.

LOL Plug and Play Lolllllllll


Steve

A domestic installer could install a fan, it's really not as difficult as you're making it out to be.
I seem to remember there was an article about 'installing' air conditioning in professional electrician magazine recently - these new systems are a piece of cake to install and a lucrative way that electricians and installers can diversify. You don't need a degree in astrophysics to blow air around a room.

 

[steve k]

Yes, 'O' Level physics is all you need to understand how electricity works. Play around with a bit of constantan wire and understand electron flow. Brill.

To ensure electricity is safe, that's another ball game entirely.

When there's a problem with water pipes, there's a leak
Problem with gas, you can usually smell it.
Problem with electrics... oh wait, someones just died from an electric shock or a housefire.... Were there any warning signs? No.

But wait, "the electrics were working fine before that happened".

I fully agree. You can't smell it, often you can't hear it and it will kill you. It should be treated with respect. The problem is as far as I can see it it that you guys have made it out to be far more dangerous in every day life than it actually is.

What is more dangerous?:

The OP buying a load of 4 way extension leads and running them all around his house?

or

The OP asking advice from what he perceives as a reputable forum of professionals, on the correct way to perform a simple wiring task that is no more difficult than wiring a plug?

The guy needs a few extra sockets and one way or another he is going to get them.

 

[Hawk81]

Well surely the best advice is to tell him how he needs a qualified electrician as it is not as simple a task as he thought.

 

[steve k]

Steve have you missed my first reply to you and what paul.m said?

Yep, sorry, we must have posted at the same time and the page turned.

Steve

 

[Adam W]

I fully agree. You can't smell it, often you can't hear it and it will kill you. It should be treated with respect. The problem is as far as I can see it it that you guys have made it out to be far more dangerous in every day life than it actually is.

What is more dangerous?:

The OP buying a load of 4 way extension leads and running them all around his house?

or

The OP asking advice from what he perceives as a reputable forum of professionals, on the correct way to perform a simple wiring task that is no more difficult than wiring a plug?

The guy needs a few extra sockets and one way or another he is going to get them.

Don't diss electricity, it can be almost as dangerous as a room with a draught which blows in slightly the wrong direction because the "engineer" has got the angle of dangle wrong on his air vents.

 

[Adam W]

Yep, sorry, we must have posted at the same time and the page turned.

Steve

Call yourself an IT consultant?

 

[steve k]

I seem to remember there was an article about 'installing' air conditioning in professional electrician magazine recently - these new systems are a piece of cake to install and a lucrative way that electricians and installers can diversify. You don't need a degree in astrophysics to blow air around a room.

You are correct, but you will soon need a C&G2079.
That article was the best thing that happened to our trade last year. We had no end of calls from electricians and plumbers who has **** themselves and lost the gas. Every other spark in the wholesalers had frost bitten fingers.

Steve

 

[Hawk81]

Still no response to paul.m or myself. Seems you have no real argument only the childish one with novosparks. Also swearing even using a number in the middle is not permitted on the forum.

 

[keith915]

I fully agree. You can't smell it, often you can't hear it and it will kill you. It should be treated with respect. The problem is as far as I can see it it that you guys have made it out to be far more dangerous in every day life than it actually is.

What is more dangerous?:

The OP buying a load of 4 way extension leads and running them all around his house?

or

The OP asking advice from what he perceives as a reputable forum of professionals, on the correct way to perform a simple wiring task that is no more difficult than wiring a plug?

The guy needs a few extra sockets and one way or another he is going to get them.

Typical joe public response i'm afraid. There are a dozen or more factors to consider before putting "just an extra socket" in someones home. In some ways extension leads are preferable... At least they'll be protected by 13amp fuses.

 

[steve k]

NovusSparkus.

You post are becoming very random and bizzare. Am I correct in thinking you have been drinking?

Steve

 

[Adam W]

C&G 2079 is just a 3 day course - no more difficult than the 2382.
3 days and you can call yourself an 'engineer'? What a joke LOL.

 

[Hawk81]

This is just rediculus now. Obviosly you are a time waster and not worth trying to have a debate with.