another job has come my way, my need little encouagment to say yeah il do it..

[i=p/u]

a customer wants to change her 2 pendants in kitchen for spotlights. the pendants have there own 1 gang switch. and there is other lights comming off these pendants for different rooms. i aint altered any circuits in this way before, but gonna have a bash.

isit ok too put pendant cables into junction boxes and push into ceiling? as will be covering up these holes . and do the spot lights need too have fire hoods? she is willing to go with good energy efficent bulbs.

what juction boxes are best to use in your opinion? and do i need to use heat resistant cable as flex for fitting?

sorry if i sound like a kitchen fitter but i stick too adding a extra lights and like for like fittings as im only on level 3 in september... help
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[i=p/u]

the room size is only 3m x 5m

 

[topquark]

Use fire rated spots anyway. You wouldn't normally need a hood (unless it's a bungalow ... as there'll will be no insulation between the floors). Wago's all the way (you knew I'd say that, right ).

 

[i=p/u]

i was thinking two rows of 4 fittings

 

[i=p/u]

cheers , aye i knew you would say wago's all the way. where the two pendants are would be ok to put in wagos and work from there?? and then these wont be accesible thanks

Use fire rated spots anyway. You wouldn't normally need a hood (unless it's a bungalow ... as there'll will be no insulation between the floors). Wago's all the way (you knew I'd say that, right ).

 

[i=p/u]

and would you use heat resistant flex for fitting

 

[i=p/u]

hust a bit of confidince in what im asking, i know once done , il be fluent lol

 

[topquark]

If you're not using the same holes then you probably can't use wago's for making good the existing wiring (coz it won't be accessible) so you'll probably have to use a small JB.

You prob want to discuss how many spots with the client and the switching arrangement/dimming all on or off may not be ideal.

Heat resistant flex? It would depend how I was wiring them. If I was wiring to a JB then from there to the light fitting yes.

 

[davetherave1979]

Dont forget spot lights are noterfiable under part p so you need to issue certs as well.

 

[i=p/u]

they want just on and off with switch.
im working from below as is tiled above and just would like to use the switch cable that is already there in ceiling for handyness.

so if i put my existing cables into juction boxes and pushed into ceiling and just came off the juction boxes into wagos at each fitting??

 

[topquark]

they want just on and off with switch.
im working from below as is tiled above and just would like to use the switch cable that is already there in ceiling for handyness.

so if i put my cables into juction boxes and pushed into ceiling and just came off the juction boxes into wagos at each fitting??

That'll do. Have you worked out which way the ceiling joists are running so you know you can route your cables OK?

 

[i=p/u]

is a wago box not the same as a junction box tho. and do i need wago box at each fitting? not just wago's

 

[i=p/u]

and yeah il just cut either side of joist and either drill or notch

 

[Paul.M]

A very good point from topquark about the joists, how good are you at plaster work?

 

[i=p/u]

il get plaster in behind me, i have a friend

 

[topquark]

Crimped connections in enclosure for any of the joints that won't be accessible. Where the spots are small wago enclosure is fine.

I would normally try to utilise the existing holes for some of the spots and add some additional ones as necessary.

 

[i=p/u]

maybe il just take spade to ceiling, then can plasterboard too, ney messing ROUND THEN

 

[topquark]

il get plaster in behind me, i have a friend

The plastering isn't so bad (I know I hate it). It's artex that's a real pain to match up. If you've got someone to come and make good after you then so much the better

 

[Paul.M]

Ya beat me to it Ipu. First ceiling rose should be the loop in connection block. Take that out and replace with wago connector unit that can fit through the down light hole. Take your live from there to the switch and returning switch live to the first DL and loop off to the other DL's.

 

[topquark]

maybe il just take spade to ceiling, then can plasterboard too, ney messing ROUND THEN

If you have that as an option then go for it. That means you can run the whole job from below and do it all without any unnecessary joints!