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Not sure what a junction hub is but are these suitable for burial and how is the voltage relevant.You can use junction hubs etc.
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Not sure what a junction hub is but are these suitable for burial and how is the voltage relevant.You can use junction hubs etc.
Not sure what a junction hub is but are these suitable for burial and how is the voltage relevant.
1. Regulations do not consider children or pets?
- Safety – 12 volts is inherently safe for children and pets
- A bigger range of good quality, smaller fittings to choose from.
- Easier installation of cables in borders and planting – flexible cables to spike spotlights can be several times longer than to 240 volt garden lights and you can move them around more easily.
- A better range of lamps to choose from which are brighter, whiter, more efficient and longer lasting than their 240 volt cousins. Some 12 volt lamps are twice as efficient as their 240 volt equivalents.
- If you have an accident with a low voltage cable it is usually easier to fix.
- Low voltage transformers and power supplies absorb transients such as those caused when a lamp blows and are, to a degree, tolerant of earth currents arising from a bit of damp in light fittings. A little bit of dampness might not affect a 12 volt circuit but it could render a 240 volt circuit unusable.
1. Regulations do not consider children or pets?
2. 12v have a larger range?
3. Why is installation easier, quote a Regulation.
5. 12v is not low voltage but 230v is??
Well in all instances you are incorrect. It may be more professional if you quoted from personal knowledge and not some online resource.Low Voltage versus Mains Lighting in the Garden
www.lightingforgardens.com
And yes in some instances the term low voltage is wrong.
I am incorrect or the site is incorrect ?Well in all instances you are incorrect.
If you are quoting the site then the site is incorrect, 12v is elv.I am incorrect or the site is incorrect ?
As I said at #18If you are quoting the site then the site is incorrect, 12v is elv.
How does using elv change the type of buried connection.As I said at #18
If the OP can use ELV that would imo be the way to go.
It's safer, easier, and he could probably do it himself.
Thank you for the replies, I am going to look for a resin T joint.
Could I just fill wiska box’s with resin? And use wago connectors. As there will be 2 x SWA’s and flex
Thanks again
- Safety – 12 volts is inherently safe for children and pets
- Easier installation of cables in borders and planting – flexible cables to spike spotlights can be several times longer than to 240 volt garden lights and you can move them around more easily.
- A better range of lamps to choose from which are brighter, whiter, more efficient and longer lasting than their 240 volt cousins. Some 12 volt lamps are twice as efficient as their 240 volt equivalents.
Is it? Surely it's going to need a waterproof or buryable joint regardless of what voltage the cable is operating at?
- If you have an accident with a low voltage cable it is usually easier to fix.
How is an ELV supply tolerant of earth currents, or more to the point how is an earth current due to damp going to occur in the first place? Surely any ELV supply used would be SELV which would make your comment about earth currents somewhat nonsensical wouldn't it?
- Low voltage transformers and power supplies absorb transients such as those caused when a lamp blows and are, to a degree, tolerant of earth currents arising from a bit of damp in light fittings. A little bit of dampness might not affect a 12 volt circuit but it could render a 240 volt circuit unusable.
You can use flexible cables, HI-Tuffs of similar length for their installation rather than armoured, and you don’t need to bury the cables approximately 600mm, as you do with LV installations.
ELV can have plug and play type connections and doesn't require the effort that swa would.How does using elv change the type of buried connection.
What pet would that be ?No it isn't, it would be safer if installed correctly, but not inherently safe. Some pets will be killed by a 12V shock.
I think they were comparing with non led lamps, but the post was quite old, I didn't realise until afterI assume we're talking LED lamps here as that's pretty much all that is available these days so I don't see how they can be brighter and whiter when LEDs have a specific colour temperature and will be as bright as you choose regardless of which supply voltage they are for.
Is there really a better range of 12V LED lamps than 240V?
It's more the range and types of boxes etc for elv that makes connections easier.Is it? Surely it's going to need a waterproof or buryable joint regardless of what voltage the cable is operating at?
It wasn't my comment, but I think you know what was meant by it.How is an ELV supply tolerant of earth currents, or more to the point how is an earth current due to damp going to occur in the first place? Surely any ELV supply used would be SELV which would make your comment about earth currents somewhat nonsensical wouldn't it?
I'd have to check the book but I thought BS7671 had a blanket requirement for all buried cables and didn't have different requirements for buried ELV cables?
ELV can have plug and play type connections and doesn't require the effort that swa would.
This is my experience having had the unfortunate job of doing well into 400 garden lights, and some never do's - its a personal position not related to any regulation / BS Standard.
1. I simply dont bury a final cct at 240VAC protected by RCD at the main board.
2. I come out of the DB and distribute multicore SWA to GRP junction box mounted on posts or side of building.
3. I then drop down cores, e.g. 12 core to 7 core to 4 core as i move away from the DB further into the garden, this allows control of zones of garden at the 240V level.
4. I install specific Tridonic outdoor drivers in the same GRP above ground box per zone.
5. I then star out from GRp box to individual lights and make connection in the GRP box using din mounted terminal blocks
6. The lights are CC usually 350mA industry standard lights.
7. Where i have to joint cables i use crimps and 2 layers of adhesive heat shrink sleave or if there are some multiple joints i have used wiska boxes, drilled a small hole in the very top and used bullet swajoint resin, warmed up under the bonnet of the vehicle, lol.
Benefits are:
1. one dodgy light or joint will not take out the RCD and subsequently a good number of lights as the drivers handle the fault and it just affects the zone the driver is connected to.
2, fault finding is easy as you can disconnect individual lights at the GRP Box and get the zone back up and running minus the dodgy light.
3. When the gardeners finally chop though the cable, reduced impact as the driver handles both the short cct and eventual open cct, again just that zone is affected.
The OP is only wanting some buried driveway 240v lights and all i asked was had he considered elv lighting and it's turned into a drama
Actually the OP asked what type of joint is best for burial, they didn't ask for advice on type of light fitting or operating voltage.
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