green deal installers

[Eco Deal]

there are 197 green deal installers

125 of those are solar pv installers ......

not as if you gonna get solar panels under green deal anyway ....

 

[sedgy34]

give it 12 months there will be 5197 greendeal installers all those cynical about GD will be onboard

 

[Gavin A]

the £1000 bribe does change the situation considerably.

 

[sedgy34]

What bribe

 

[Gavin A]

Breaking: Government to offer up to £1,000 cash back to drive Green Deal adoption - 19 Oct 2012 - News from BusinessGreen

 

[Eco Deal]

Solar pv installer think it will answer their prayers but the panels will never meet the golden rule with out FITS.

I wonder if you can prove the client is in fuel poverty the will fully fund the solar panels via ECO ?

 

[SRE]

Just been to yet another Green Deal meeting and checked a couple of other links I have. Depressing stuff this morning about the delivery of the programme and the costs added onto the customer bill. Suggestions of £1500 per GDA from social housing providers and even on a really lean system we're looking at the cost of admin, management and GDA of about 1k. Of course this + the interest and all has to be identified on the assessment so the customer completely understands what they are signing up to.

Enact have just announced that they aren't expecting the GDF to be in place before April at the earliest with installations beginning in May 2013. The only way work can be carried out before this is if the customer has their own finance or are taking up ECO.

I reckon this could be the softest start in history!!

 

[Gavin A]

problem is, some parts of the system are having a much softer start than others.

If your body moves forward faster than your feet when running you end up falling flat on your face........................

 

[sedgy34]

Anyone got a link for Eco

 

[Worcester]

Here you go:
http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/...lp-where-it-is-needed-a-new-energy-compan.pdf

 

[whinmoor]

I went to a similar meeting this week. The delegates were pretty confused about the whole thing. That may have been because the speakers didn't have much of a clue what it was about. It seems that PV is pretty low down the list of measures. The financial arrangements seem to be in complete disarray. Lots of dates were suggested for when this might be resolved but it seemed like people were guessing.

 

[finchy]

It's just not going to work !

 

[JulianC]

I am inclined to agree with my esteemed colleague above

 

[SRE]

We're trying as a group to get some money together to see if there is a market for GD. In theory if we can identify an area, market, do the GDA and then work out what the take up is we'd be able to extrapolate the figures and work out if there's anything worth having a go at.

One of the biggest hurdles (after golden rule, 7% interest, mountains of paperwork etc etc) is priming the market in the first place and identifying key target markets on a very tight budget - no-one I've spoken to has a scooby how to do this. A lot of the bodies that would have done this in the past have either closed down or are so stretched they can't take on the extra work, particularly as it's so complex.

The guy we're talking to and who is meeting with Barking himself shortly (so they can have a photo taken together and Tweet it!!) seems to think that Joe Bloggs the kitchen fitter will suggest Green Deal while he's selling the kitchen and it'll go through the GDA, GDP & GDF and Bob's your uncle the installation has been completed. He's a really nice guy but clearly hasn't any idea how large scale domestic projects like this are run.

 

[Worcester]

My felling is that it will primarlily be telemarketed by the usual players - BG, Mark Group, Enact etc, plus picked up with distress buys (boiler replacement etc.

The "hook" that they will be using will be the £1000 cash back .... http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/...the-green-deal-cashback-for-energy-saving.pdf

The Green Deal Cashback Scheme is a first-come, first-served offer where householders can claim cash back from Government on energy saving improvements like insulation, front doors, windows and boilers. Packages could be worth over £1000 – the more you do, the more you get. Available from 28 January 2013 for households in England and Wales.

So it'll be all the big players piling in on the phones (after all they'll have three months of nothing to do between no and then So will have pnet up enthusiasm. Pkus BG will continue their radio and TV adds for it.

As for the SME oppportunity ? - Conservatory people, upselling windows and doors. Boiler repairs upsell.

 

[SRE]

Apparently the Wolsey Group are just about set up to use Green Deal for distress boiler replacements and have concentrated on getting the time (in theory) down to just a few days. That's probably where GD will win out especially if you're able to make an early repayment on the loan - does anyone know if this is possible?

 

[finchy]

Isn't that all morally wrong taking advantage of people in need and leaving them with 7%interest plus fees. Surely the government doesn't intend the green deal to increase debt, and pray on the vulnerable.

 

[Worcester]

Thought I posted my Mrs Bloggins conversations a month or so ago ..... - aha back in MAY!!

POST 1:
" 5) Entry points into the green deal are most likely to be either the current crop of telesales offering 'free' insulation, or a 'distress' purchase: Mrs Bloggings boiler breaks down, they go in offer a replacement bolier (condensing of course) for 'FREE' on the green deal, and then immediately upsell on loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, double galzing etc etc. - all for 'FREE'.- gotcha Mrs Bloggins"

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POST 2:
"Becasue if Mrs Bloggins is broke, her boiler breaks, the nice young lad from British Gas will offer to replace her boiler for free AND to reduce her fuel bills if she'll let him also put in the loft and cavity wall insulation and triple glazing. All you have to do Mrs Bloggins is sign here, that it on that dotted line, and we'll revamp your house for you and you don't have to pay anything.

Ooh Betty he was such a nice young boy, if I was 2O years younger ...

But then I've become a cynic in my dotage :speechless:"

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POST 3:
"However with what you've just said, on ECO, that confirms my appproach above - I should have expanded it a bit ' Mrs Bloggins wants EWI - that has an ECO grant of x, so will cost you y, - here's how you could pay for it ' and a criteria would be that the value of the ECO is to make sure it fits a (new) Golden Rule, else no ECO grant/subsidy i.e just beacuse I don't want to finance it via the Green Deal Loan, doesn't mean I can't get the ECO element.
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Of course, seeing as you will (I believe this is one of the rules) be able to pay off your Green Deal loan at any time without penalty, perhaps we are going to see a lot of smart re-financing and a lot of 'missold' green deal claiming companies springing up to help people get out of it. I just can't see REAL doing a good enough job on this and being able to manage it let alone police it properly."

 

[Eco Deal]

The purpose of the green deal loan is

a. you can have bad credit history
b. you can walk away when you move
c. you get cash back in the early days.

I have just been handed a list of 200 domestic properties from a local property delovoper , I went to do some electrical work for him and when I spoke about the green deal he snaped my hand off ?

why ?

he gets to upgrade his housing stock for naff all .

all those who fall in the eco band which is around 80 people on that list will get the measures (green ticks ) for nothing and cash back.

I am meeting a GDP on thursday , and we will be be tackling the properties asap.

If theres any green deal installers for condensating boilers, cavity wall and internal or external wall then I can offer those measures to a green deal accredited installer.

Solar pv and solar thermal etc are not going to make it on the green deal as far as I know

 

[Worcester]

@MEP Elec I believe you're correct and that will be one of the biggest markets - not only that though - the tenant pays..... Property developer get his hiusing stock upgraded for free / at the tenants expense / saving ...

So a landlord could possibly get, EWI / cavity wall , loft insulation, new windows, new doors, new boiler all on the green deal and (someone) gets £1000 back, and the tenant pays for all this on their bill.

 

[SRE]

Isn't that all morally wrong taking advantage of people in need and leaving them with 7%interest plus fees. Surely the government doesn't intend the green deal to increase debt, and pray on the vulnerable.

Govt doesn't have any morals and neither will many associated with the Green Deal. Privately rented houses are often the worst in terms of energy efficiency, landlords should be forced to maintain decent homes standards but they aren't and instead the poor tenants are going to be held to ransom - it infuriates me!

 

[Eco Deal]

i think by 2016 a rented house as to be a E rating ...so thats a selling point

but I think they should up that to a D or C even then people would save some cash

 

[finchy]

So the green deal is for landlords wanting to upgrade their portfolio at the expense of the tenant and profiting from an increase in yield.

And desperate home owners whom struggle to afford to pay upfront for improvements but become financially worse off by paying 7% plus fees.

So if I look at another angle I will buy a property apply for a gd loan do it up sell it at a profit and leave the new owner with the debt. So the new owner pays twice for the green deal ! How do the RICS value houses with green deal !

The DECC are geniuses !!

 

[Megavolt]

@MEP Elec I believe you're correct and that will be one of the biggest markets - not only that though - the tenant pays..... Property developer get his hiusing stock upgraded for free / at the tenants expense / saving ...

So a landlord could possibly get, EWI / cavity wall , loft insulation, new windows, new doors, new boiler all on the green deal and (someone) gets £1000 back, and the tenant pays for all this on their bill.

am having a blonde moment what is EWI

 

[SRE]

External wall insulation - otherwise known as swi solid wall insulation. Both used frequently.

 

[Eco Deal]

the green deal will be a bouns for landlords and social housing but if it lowers the payments for everyone including the homeowner and tenants then its a good thing right ???

 

[sedgy34]

the green deal will be a bouns for landlords and social housing but if it lowers the payments for everyone including the homeowner and tenants then its a good thing right ???

The big boys will get bigger

 

[Gavin A]

the green deal will be a bouns for landlords and social housing but if it lowers the payments for everyone including the homeowner and tenants then its a good thing right ???

that's a big IF with the way the savings are calculated as I understand it.

Being based on a modified version of SAP instead of the actual gas consumption levels is a recipe for many who were already relatively low energy users compared to the average for their property to end up out of pocket IMO.

This is a massive inherent flaw in the scheme as it stands, but those running it will get away with it because those who take the green deal up won't be people who're able to afford to take them to court when it goes wrong.