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you think that's bad. try googling "woke".At first I thought that was a spoof article, or April 1st joke.
Then I realised how much of a joke we all are now![]()
Funnily enough at one point the phases were calledRed/Yellow/Blue.
Feet and Inches.
Pounds and Ounces/ Stones, Cwts.
Rods, perches, chains, Fathoms. 4 rods = 1 chain.
1 Acre is 4840 sq/yards. the area 1 man with horse and plough could turn over in a summer's day provided that the pub was closed.
Gas bills worded as xp /cu.m so we can gauge the cost. maybe converting the meters to cu.feet. is a step too far.
Because flex isn't generally used as part of the 'fixed' wiring in homesColours were still red and black when I was in college, it changed the year I left and part p was brought in.
Flex has been brown and blue for as long as I remember so why do we need the label on the distribution board?
Still odd though that they think a warning was required when we already knew of the two schemes.Because flex isn't generally used as part of the 'fixed' wiring in homes
I was fortunate that I managed to get about 10 years using red and black cores before the powers that be forced us to change
It wasn't just changing red and black , we also changed 3c phase colours to brown black and grey so we had to de-neutralise the black and turn it blue.Still odd though that they think a warning was required when we already knew of the two schemes.
Do you generally see the changes in regulations as an improvement in terms of working practices and safety?
Yeah I always have to consider the de-neutralising the black, I wasn't aware of the article for quite some time and thought it was logical to keep it as black.It wasn't just changing red and black , we also changed 3c phase colours to brown black and grey so we had to de-neutralise the black and turn it blue.
I think the labelling was for unsuspecting plumbers , kitchen fitters and DIYers who had little knowledge of the phase colour changes...
As for improvements , NO not at all. Part Pee , cable changes and metal boards have made little to zero health and safety advances. Its all just been a money spinner for the powers that control us IMO
To be fair, the colours were RYB Black & Green (or Green/yellow) when I started, (new colours for flex), but virtually all the older properties were in previous colours RWB Black, and either bare or Black for earth. No label on cu then!Colours were still red and black when I was in college, it changed the year I left and part p was brought in.
Flex has been brown and blue for as long as I remember so why do we need the label on the distribution board?
I wasn't aware of the green neutral, perhaps I just haven't paid enough when stripping things out. Was that at the same time as the lead sheathed flat cable? Or the vrf stuff?To be fair, the colours were RYB Black & Green (or Green/yellow) when I started, (new colours for flex), but virtually all the older properties were in previous colours RWB Black, and either bare or Black for earth. No label on cu then!
Also, some were still RWB and Green (neutral), bare earth.
Again didn't need a label on the cu or dist board
The plain green sleeving is from very old installations… 60’s and 70’s. Not quite as old as lead.I wasn't aware of the green neutral, perhaps I just haven't paid enough when stripping things out. Was that at the same time as the lead sheathed flat cable? Or the vrf stuff?
Here you are Julie - here's some Red White and Blue for you, even triangular conductors!Funnily enough at one point the phases were called
Phase ------------ cable colour
Red (R) ---------- red
Yellow (Y) ------ white
Blue (B) ---------- blue
I kid you not!
The plain green sleeving is from very old installations… 60’s and 70’s. Not quite as old as lead.
Lighting circuits were lucky if they even had a cpc!
It was around the same time frame as the insulation that breaks down over time and becomes “green goo” which ends up dripping out of sockets.
Green neutral is really old, pre war really (it changed mid ww2), but when I started, it was only ~35 years old at that point.I wasn't aware of the green neutral, perhaps I just haven't paid enough when stripping things out. Was that at the same time as the lead sheathed flat cable? Or the vrf stuff?
Indeed I recall when wagon wheels were so big you had to actually wheel them home!I vote to go back to the proper colours!
Red, white, blue for L1, L2, & L3
Green for neutral
Black for earth.
Yes, EARTH, none of this fancy "CPC" stuff!
Proper colours I say!
We can then have a proper notice to 514.14
"...This installation has colours to "s*** loads of versions of bs 7671..."
And we should go back to IEE, none of this IET lark...
And don't get me started on the size of "wagon wheels" today, when I were a kid, they were big enough to replace a three course meal...
Indeed I recall when wagon wheels were so big you had to actually wheel them home!
If you strip any of that out I need it for the museum!here's some Red White and Blue for you
It looks like it might be quadrant (4c) rather than 3c , but can't really see on my phoneIf you strip any of that out I need it for the museum!
Noted! (Yes 4 core)If you strip any of that out I need it for the museum!
It is there for idiots. Had a 4th year apprentice working with me recently and he was baffled by 3 phase. Had absolutley no idea why it was RYB and claimed never to have seen it before. Needless to say after seeing his work I'd be scared to think next year he'll probably be out working on his own for a company no doubt.Colours were still red and black when I was in college, it changed the year I left and part p was brought in.
Flex has been brown and blue for as long as I remember so why do we need the label on the distribution board?
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