Can we also go back to red & black wires please...

[oracle]

I really like the bebs standard numbering for switchgear etc.

You knew instantly what phase, what circuit - whether it was metering, protection, trip circuits, aux etc and roughly where you were in the circuit!
Still got the mustard pamphlet:

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What intrigues me most is the numbering system that you have in your Regs. 2,3,41,2,3, etc. It's doing my head in making sense of it!

 

[Julie.]

What intrigues me most is the numbering system that you have in your Regs. 2,3,41,2,3, etc. It's doing my head in making sense of it!

Which regs are those?

Are you talking about the numbers from BEBS ?

 

[nicebutdim]

Now I understand why people want to move to imperial, a gill is 1/4 of a pint - so around 3x a current 35 - 50ml serving!

And perhaps, really telling tel, is 50cl is 1/2 litre - close on a pint.

So ...

This helps me understand why a measure of spirits is 25ml in GB.

Can someone explain why a measure of spirits is 35ml in NI?

 

[littlespark]

In uk, it can be 25 or 35ml…. Depends on the license premises.

 

[Julie.]

This helps me understand why a measure of spirits is 25ml in GB.

Can someone explain why a measure of spirits is 35ml in NI?

It stems from history, traditionally England was 1/6 Gill, Scotland 1/5 Gill, Ireland was also 1/5 I think.

These were translated to metric resulting in 25ml (and 50ml for a double) in England, and 35ml for Ireland and Scotland. Often in Scotland a double is only 50ml.

Anywhere in the UK, the measure must be multiples of 25ml or 35ml, so in England they could serve in 35ml, just as you could serve 25ml in Scotland or Ireland.

 

[Julie.]

It stems from history, traditionally England was 1/6 Gill, Scotland 1/5 Gill, Ireland was also 1/5 I think.

These were translated to metric resulting in 25ml (and 50ml for a double) in England, and 35ml for Ireland and Scotland. Often in Scotland a double is only 50ml.

Anywhere in the UK, the measure must be multiples of 25ml or 35ml, so in England they could serve in 35ml, just as you could serve 25ml in Scotland or Ireland.

Should of added, I only know this stuff because my parents owned an off licence when I was a young child, and always held an interest, so when I moved to Scotland, almost the first question from my dad was "how about the larger shots..."

 

[nicebutdim]

Should of added, I only know this stuff because my parents owned an off licence when I was a young child, and always held an interest, so when I moved to Scotland, almost the first question from my dad was "how about the larger shots..."

I remember the first time being served a 25ml measure in England - made me question who the most miserable UK nation really was.

 

[littlespark]

I was a license holder when I worked on the caravan site , which was in Scotland, and I remember the sign saying “whisky, vodka, gin, rum sold in measures of 25ml or 35ml….. or multiples thereof” or wording to that effect.

Now it seems the signs are made up with 25, OR 35ml… One or the other.

 

[pc1966]

I remember the first time being served a 25ml measure in England - made me question who the most miserable UK nation really was.

Recently (as in 3 years ago?) buying two G&T in London and handing over £20 and then looking at the pittance of change i got back. Barman was "Ah mate, your not from here are you?"

 

[littlespark]

Recently (as in 3 years ago?) buying two G&T in London and handing over £20 and then looking at the pittance of change i got back. Barman was "Ah mate, your not from here are you?"

Scottish £20? Shall we start a rant about “legal tender”???

Did I read “Batman” there instead of barman?

 

[Zerax]

At first I thought that was a spoof article, or April 1st joke.

Why ???

Feet and inches are lovely measurements to use. I've been using a mix of feet/inches and metric for years.... each has it's place.

The bigger issue is that woke, snowflake millennial will need counselling to cope !!

Don't forget that in some industries, sailing/boatbuilding for example... it's all still mostly imperial sizes !

 

[pc1966]

Why ???

Because all changes in the last century have been to adopt metric standards for everything.

Yes, some standards and usage is backed-in to certain industries and products (e.g. tripod screw thread, etc) but it is simply insane to start using standards again that are not world-wide consistent (e.g. UK & USA definitions for same name) or require learning bizarre ratios of units that date back centuries.

When I saw the UK proposing this it actually made me think of how the Islamic world was once the leader in forward thinking, mathematics and science (as we would describe it today) but as they slipped behind the Renaissance in Europe, etc, they became increasingly backward looking and theocratic, culminating in the worst of the middle east, etc, today where the answer is alwys about going back to the old ways, more prayer, less tolerance of anything new or western, etc.

 

[pc1966]

Just to add, the UK actually started metrication - just look at how the BA screw sizes were defined!

 

[Zerax]

Yes, some standards and usage is backed-in to certain industries and products

Yes... exactly... like sheets of plywood... at present it is illegal to sell a sheet that is exactly 8' x 4' as 8' x 4', it must be sold as 2440 x 1220 mm... absolutely and utterly bonkers !!! When we originally joined the EU we managed to agree a few exceptions, like pints of milk, pints of beer, miles for road markings etc... but now that we're free from all that nonsense, we should be able to use the most appropriate sizing.

Another one that springs to mind is circular saw blade bores... usually they are exactly ⅝"... but are sold as 15.875 mm... which one of those is easiest to use ???

 

[pc1966]

Yes... exactly... like sheets of plywood... at present it is illegal to sell a sheet that is exactly 8' x 4' as 8' x 4', it must be sold as 2440 x 1220 mm... absolutely and utterly bonkers !!!

No it is not!

You must provide any measurement for sale in metric.

You can make them anything you want (e.g. 2440mm) and you can also provide the values in anything else like UK imperial, Egyptian cubit, punnet of strawberries, etc, if you want.

Metrication in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[littlespark]

We call it a “pint of milk” but it’s 568ml marked on the label.
Most are sold as 500ml, 1L or 2l now

We should be clever enough to deal with both systems. One is not better than the other.

 

[Zerax]

No it is not!

You must provide any measurement for sale in metric.

You can make them anything you want (e.g. 2440mm) and you can also provide the values in anything else like UK imperial, Egyptian cubit, punnet of strawberries, etc, if you want.

Metrication in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't have the patience to wade through all that... can you pull out the relevant reference please... I read the bit about consumers can ask for what they want, but not that sellers can advertise and sell in whatever units they want.

 

[Mike Johnson]

At least 2440 x 1220 allowed old duffers to visualise the size as 8 x 4.

 

[pc1966]

I don't have the patience to wade through all that... can you pull out the relevant reference please... I read the bit about consumers can ask for what they want, but not that sellers can advertise and sell in whatever units they want.

The legally binding value must be metric, they are the official units.

The "supplementary indicator" can be anything that helps the consumer (but obviously has to match so you are not cheating!).

So you can sell a 1lb jar of jam but it must clearly indicate 454 g as well.

 

[Zerax]

The legally binding value must be metric, they are the official units.

The "supplementary indicator" can be anything that helps the consumer (but obviously has to match so you are not cheating!).

So you can sell a 1lb jar of jam but it must clearly indicate 454 g as well.

Yeah... that was my point.. the legally binding value is in metric. So I hope that we can move away from that and have legally binding units in imperial too ! (so that sheet materials can be sold as whatever they actually are !)

I just checked... and I can't find anything in my food cupboards that shows anything other than metric sizes... so it looks likely that the manufacturers have rolled over and gone all metric to simplify product ranges across borders.