Today's board change

[uksparks]

Hi,

This morning's job, in and out in 4 and a half hours. Vast improvement. Feel free to rip it apart and tell me I'm a fool and I've made a bodge of it and don't know what I'm doing.



I did actually heat shrink the end of that line conductor and disconnect the relevant earth and neutral and shrink them the same, it was for a shower circuit thats not connect in the loft, they also got labelled accordingly.



You may say why the cable ties, I saw one of you do it the other week on here, Trev i think or GMES maybe? Looked nice.



Ok I know MCB 8 is on when it doesn't need to be, I did switch it off.

 

[Pete999]

Bit rough, only teasing very nice

 

[richy3333]

Luverley!

Do you use the brother machine for the labels? If so what settings mate?

 

[percysybil]

nice job - certainly gives me something to aspire to...

 

[uksparks]

Bit rough, only teasing very nice

Yeah i thought I'd even put a "Durable" circuit thing on thats totally sodding pointless!

 

[uksparks]

Luverley!

Do you use the brother machine for the labels? If so what settings mate?

yes I do, a Brother P-Touch 7600

I use 12mm black on clear tape, 12pt font I think.

I also put my details on the big labels, I have a presaved image that I did on the computer loaded on to the label machine I just press a button and it turns one out on 18mm tape, black on clear.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Ahhh that Hager rubbish :tounge_smile::tounge_smile:

 

[uksparks]

I used to use MK, so come on, Hager is better than that, what would you use?

 

[bigdavs83]

Always prefer it with the small tie wraps makes it a neater job. It's a bugger when you're the next one at the board trying not to disturb it!

 

[Pete999]

Tie wraps look nice but I would never use them, at least not leave them in after completion. think it looks naff

 

[7029 dave]

Looks neat UK, IMO omit the cable ties.All those cables need some air.:stooge_curly:

 

[telectrix]

cable ties look neat, but derate the cables.

 

[Guest77]

Nothing wrong with the job, it looks fine to me, one critism, as your a pub member wheres the beer? it is your round.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Because of the use of the ties I hope you derated the CCC because of the bunched conductors?

Only kidding UK.. Very neat, and regardless of popular thought I quite like all those labels on it, looks professional.

I generally use Wylex boards as I like the little extra depth, I'd be interested to know what your preference with the Hagar is UK?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Tie wraps look nice but I would never use them, at least not leave them in after completion. think it looks naff

Cable lacing is more your style eh Pete...well, Era

 

[Pete999]

cable ties look neat, but derate the cables.

Agree Tel looks the dogs dodas, but as you say derates the cables, by all means keep them neat whilst the installation is proceeding but cut them out on completion, quite easy with today's solid cores, and use the right size earth sleeving, nothing worse than having a 1mm or 1.5 cpc with dirty great sleeving on it, just because the sparky can't be bothered to change to a smaller bore sleeving.

 

[Pete999]

Cable lacing is more your style eh Pete...well, Era

Now just stop it please will you, I can move with the times you know.

 

[Simonslimline]

nothing worse than having a 1mm or 1.5 cpc with dirty great sleeving on it, just because the sparky can't be bothered to change to a smaller bore sleeving.

Yeah this annoys me. Not hard to put the correct sleeving on and it makes a tidier job.

 

[Simon-0116]

Looks well used a hager other day only problem id when some one opens board with too smaller screw driver and fuc## up the slots for the next person

 

[uksparks]

Ill probably not put them on next time now you have all said that, probably got another three board changes over the next week, so ill see what happens, to be honest, its only derated it fractionally as its only a tiny bit thats bunched, plus they would all be in exactly the same position if not tied anyway.

but thanks though.

the hager board has a much tighter tollerance on the din rail, or the MCB even, when you tighten them up they don't slant like the MK boards do.

I just prefer them, I think they are a lot better.

 

[uksparks]

Looks well used a hager other day only problem id when some one opens board with too smaller screw driver and fuc## up the slots for the next person

Ah yes thats very annoying! I couldn't get into a board that I went to once, was a bit flumuxed!

 

[uksparks]

Im just going to bath the kids then ill be back!

 

[HandySparks]

Im just going to bath the kids then ill be back!

Is that the same as dropping the kids off at the pool? :biggrin:

 

[Jamie]

I like the Hager boards, easy to work in. If using RCBO's they can be made to look very smart inside, unlike Wylex (If I recall) or Crabtree which have the flying neutral and field earth coming out the top and it looks a right mess :6:

 

[gazj82]

I'm intrigued with the circuit details sticker, where did you get them from, or did you print them yourself? I have always used Hager ever since I can remember unless something else is specced. Always have been very nice boards in my opinion.

 

[davesparks]

Those circuit detail stickers are carp, the almost always fall off. And then they are hand written so often hard to read, plus there is not enough space to be detailed!
Just print a decent circuit list, laminate it and fix it to, or near to, the CU.
For a simple domestic installation you don't really need a the extra details, just the specifics of what each circuit does.

 

[Jamie]

Printer & Laminator in the van! oooeeerrrrrrrrrrr

 

[gazj82]

Those circuit detail stickers are carp, the almost always fall off. And then they are hand written so often hard to read, plus there is not enough space to be detailed!
Just print a decent circuit list, laminate it and fix it to, or near to, the CU.
For a simple domestic installation you don't really need a the extra details, just the specifics of what each circuit does.

I usually do a nice sheet in excel, pop it in a pouch and stick the pouch to the distribution board in any situation other than domestic. It always seemed a bit much for domestic though.

I used to laminate them until I realised what a pain in the --- it was to add a circuit onto it later on :S

 

[telectrix]

Those circuit detail stickers are carp, the almost always fall off. And then they are hand written so often hard to read, plus there is not enough space to be detailed!
Just print a decent circuit list, laminate it and fix it to, or near to, the CU.
For a simple domestic installation you don't really need a the extra details, just the specifics of what each circuit does.

this is carp:

 

[davesparks]

Printer & Laminator in the van! oooeeerrrrrrrrrrr

No, it's at home

 

[davesparks]

this is carp:

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Revenge?

Smartarse

 

[telectrix]

sweet..

 

[uksparks]

I'm intrigued with the circuit details sticker, where did you get them from, or did you print them yourself? I have always used Hager ever since I can remember unless something else is specced. Always have been very nice boards in my opinion.

See post 6 for info on this. I've seen quite a few hager boards where the stickers have all curled up and fallen off, I'm going to create a grid template on my label printer so that've can just bung them all in and off it prints.

I use 12mm clear on black super strength adhesive labels not the standard strength.

 

[gazj82]

Ah yes, I do have a Brother label printer to mark up MCB's. I did mean the circuit detail list on the flap down lid (unless your label printer can do those too, mine definitely cannot).

 

[Silly Sausage]

Now just stop it please will you, I can move with the times you know.

I love the look of well done lacing, it looks class!


@uksparks

Why the board change in the first place, if I may be so bold?
It looks a bit scabby and no door, but it's out of reach (of little people).

Decent job though

 

[uksparks]

Half of it wasn't covered by an RCD, there was a heat wise economy 10 supply in the left feeding one of the immersion elements which has now been converted to the whole installation as E7.

the customer just wanted a new unit as it's about to be let out and he wanted it all to be nice and safe.

Thanks for the positive comments everyone, it's nice to know others think it's ok.

 

[leonard]

On the middle picture that 4mm loose single core it looks to short to terminate or not!!!!!

 

[Simonslimline]

On the middle picture that 4mm loose single core it looks to short to terminate or not!!!!!

Look closer

 

[telectrix]

middle picture out of 6. hmm. like the irishman pointed to a row ot 6 cottages. that's mine, the 1 in the middle!

 

[guest119]

Didnt you take any after pics? ...

Boydy

 

[uksparks]

It's 6mm, yes there is enough, just needs pulling a little more.

The circuit labels, I get all my stickers from patlabelsonline.co.uk.

 

[Geordie Spark]

this is carp:

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Bowlocks .. it's a gadgee with a fish!

 

[Engineer54]

It's basically fine, but i can't see any reason for anyone to use cable ties in a tiny domestic CU... I don't allow there use in our larger final circuit DB's either, they can become the cause of absolute nightmare tracing cables in a relatively small area, where most if not all the ties would need to be removed to enable to trace/find a single conductor.....

 

[ayjay]

what about a pic of what it looked like before u stipped it out? might have been better
tie wrapping cables isnt good btw ( on aircraft looms maybye) but not c/u,s

 

[uksparks]

Point taken ill not tie wrap things in future, this is the only one I have ever done it on anyway.

 

[Guest77]

Point taken ill not tie wrap things in future, this is the only one I have ever done it on anyway.

Why Not? I think your board looked good, stop being a whimp and stand up for yourself.

 

[Andy78]

I remember getting a right rollocking off my leading electrician once for tie wrapping a load of line conductors together. It took me quite a while and I was well pleased with it, but I was made to take them all off. Never done it since.

 

[richy3333]

I remember getting a right rollocking off my leading electrician once for tie wrapping a load of line conductors together. It took me quite a while and I was well pleased with it, but I was made to take them all off. Never done it since.

That and the busses ran late and people didn't have their tickets checked

 

[Andy78]

That and the busses ran late and people didn't have their tickets checked

That took me longer than it should have to get that. Whether that speaks to the sharpness of my mind or the quality of the pun I'm not sure ;P

 

[Guest77]

I am not a tywrap man myself andy, but the board didn't look untidy and it was only a few small cores, no big issue IMO, now if it was a 36 way board and every core wrapped I would be jumping up and down about it lol.