Today's board change

[uksparks]

It's 6mm, yes there is enough, just needs pulling a little more.

The circuit labels, I get all my stickers from patlabelsonline.co.uk.

 

[Geordie Spark]

this is carp:

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Bowlocks .. it's a gadgee with a fish!

 

[Engineer54]

It's basically fine, but i can't see any reason for anyone to use cable ties in a tiny domestic CU... I don't allow there use in our larger final circuit DB's either, they can become the cause of absolute nightmare tracing cables in a relatively small area, where most if not all the ties would need to be removed to enable to trace/find a single conductor.....

 

[ayjay]

what about a pic of what it looked like before u stipped it out? might have been better
tie wrapping cables isnt good btw ( on aircraft looms maybye) but not c/u,s

 

[uksparks]

Point taken ill not tie wrap things in future, this is the only one I have ever done it on anyway.

 

[Guest77]

Point taken ill not tie wrap things in future, this is the only one I have ever done it on anyway.

Why Not? I think your board looked good, stop being a whimp and stand up for yourself.

 

[Andy78]

I remember getting a right rollocking off my leading electrician once for tie wrapping a load of line conductors together. It took me quite a while and I was well pleased with it, but I was made to take them all off. Never done it since.

 

[richy3333]

I remember getting a right rollocking off my leading electrician once for tie wrapping a load of line conductors together. It took me quite a while and I was well pleased with it, but I was made to take them all off. Never done it since.

That and the busses ran late and people didn't have their tickets checked

 

[Andy78]

That and the busses ran late and people didn't have their tickets checked

That took me longer than it should have to get that. Whether that speaks to the sharpness of my mind or the quality of the pun I'm not sure ;P

 

[Guest77]

I am not a tywrap man myself andy, but the board didn't look untidy and it was only a few small cores, no big issue IMO, now if it was a 36 way board and every core wrapped I would be jumping up and down about it lol.

 

[Andy78]

I am not a tywrap man myself andy, but the board didn't look untidy and it was only a few small cores, no big issue IMO, now if it was a 36 way board and every core wrapped I would be jumping up and down about it lol.

I wasn't casting any aspersions over the CU in this thread, just saying that I have a habit of not using them caused by a previous arse chewing .. lol
Strangely enough, thinking back, the same guy liked me ty-wrap CPCs and neutrals together in large TP+N boards..... He was Irish though.

 

[Engineer54]

I am not a tywrap man myself andy, but the board didn't look untidy and it was only a few small cores, no big issue IMO, now if it was a 36 way board and every core wrapped I would be jumping up and down about it lol.

So it's better not to ty-wrap grouped conductors in any size of CU/DB then!! ...lol!!

 

[Guest77]

So it's better not to ty-wrap grouped conductors in any size of CU/DB then!! ...lol!!

3 or 4 phase conductors is no big deal is it?

 

[Guest77]

I wasn't casting any aspersions over the CU in this thread, just saying that I have a habit of not using them caused by a previous arse chewing .. lol
Strangely enough, thinking back, the same guy liked me ty-wrap CPCs and neutrals together in large TP+N boards..... He was Irish though.

LOL, haha

 

[Engineer54]

3 or 4 phase conductors is no big deal is it?

Depends, it may well be, if you ever need to find and dig them out from a bunch of other cables that have all been tie-wrapped together!!!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Ill probably not put them on next time now you have all said that, probably got another three board changes over the next week, so ill see what happens, to be honest, its only derated it fractionally as its only a tiny bit thats bunched, plus they would all be in exactly the same position if not tied anyway.

but thanks though.

the hager board has a much tighter tollerance on the din rail, or the MCB even, when you tighten them up they don't slant like the MK boards do.

I just prefer them, I think they are a lot better.

:angry_smile:

Just put my first (and last) MK board in. Horrible. RCD wouldn't trip, slanting MCBs, pre-wired links pulled out of crimps...

That Hager is nice, but try a BG (British General). You won't be disappointed.

 

[uksparks]

You have to be kidding, BG? IMHO they are cheap and nasty rubbish!

 

[Jamie]

:angry_smile:

Just put my first (and last) MK board in. Horrible. RCD wouldn't trip, slanting MCBs, pre-wired links pulled out of crimps...

That Hager is nice, but try a BG (British General). You won't be disappointed.

First and Last MK board I'll be putting in as of a few weeks ago too. Bloody things are a nightmare. Talk about pre-wired RCD link bird nest!!

 

[Guest77]

The MK boards are made in China now like most Boards, however the factory where they are made is a different one than other brands because they are terrible in quality, almost as bad as proteus which is made over here haha

 

[Silly Sausage]

Is/was Wylex gear manufactured in Wythenshawe in darkest south Manc?
I'm sure I've seen Wylex down that way the few times I've dared go there.

 

[uksparks]

Unfortunately I've got about 20 mk mcbs, new ones in stock... I'll hang on to them for a bit.

Im still not sure about what to do about a new board for my new house, ideally I need a 7+7 + 4 unprotected ways...

 

[Guest77]

Unfortunately I've got about 20 mk mcbs, new ones in stock... I'll hang on to them for a bit.

Im still not sure about what to do about a new board for my new house, ideally I need a 7+7 + 4 unprotected ways...

Make your own, buy a 24 module Crabtree starbreaker board and seperate busbars and RCDs and main switch, great boards.

 

[uksparks]

My 2000th Post

Im very happy with the Hager boards, I just feel they are better, they just look better inside and not flimsy either.

 

[uksparks]

Make your own, buy a 24 module Crabtree starbreaker board and seperate busbars and RCDs and main switch, great boards.

Ill take a look thanks.

 

[Guest77]

My 2000th Post

Im very happy with the Hager boards, I just feel they are better, they just look better inside and not flimsy either.

You will probably be let into the 3000 club now

 

[Silly Sausage]

You will probably be let into the 3000 club now

Especially if we boot out GMES, that'll free a space up.

 

[uksparks]

You will probably be let into the 3000 club now

Whats that? I'll get to 2999 and then it'll be called the 4000.

 

[uksparks]

Does anyone know if the Hager VC818CU has dual RCD and unprotected ways, looking at the data I think it has, bt don't know how many it has.

 

[telectrix]

see here:

Hager VC818CU Consumer Unit 18 Way High Integrity

 

[davesparks]

Unfortunately I've got about 20 mk mcbs, new ones in stock... I'll hang on to them for a bit.

Im still not sure about what to do about a new board for my new house, ideally I need a 7+7 + 4 unprotected ways...

for my own place i'd be using SPSN RCBO's throughout, I can PM you details of where I get them from if you want

 

[uksparks]

I was just looking at that, I'm pretty sure it will do what I need, Ddies said they only knew of a 5+6+3, but this is much bigger!

its going to be one of the first jobs when I move in, I want my CCTV on its own rcbo, alarm on one, compressor on one, smokes on one, then I've got about 12 other circuits.

 

[uksparks]

for my own place i'd be using SPSN RCBO's throughout, I can PM you details of where I get them from if you want

How does a spsn rcbo work over the norm?

 

[telectrix]

a single pole breaks just the L. a spsn breaks L and N afaik.

 

[uksparks]

That's what I've just read but can't exactly understand the benefit?

 

[telectrix]

because if the N is not disconnected, a N-E fault is not cleared.

 

[uksparks]

Are you saying it will only disconnect if there's a L - E fault not N-E fault?

 

[telectrix]

no... any RCBO will disconnect on a L-E or a N-E fault, due to the current imbalance. what i am saying is that a SPSN breaks the N as well as the N.whereas a SP RCBO only breaks the L.

 

[Silly Sausage]

UKS, there's a very recent thread on this very subject, check it out...please!

 

[uksparks]

Ill be honest I've never really thought about it, I'm guessing a normal rcd or rcbo just disconnects the line then, so really one that disconnects both has to be a better option.

 

[uksparks]

UKS, there's a very recent thread on this very subject, check it out...please!

I wasn't aware there was one, I'll have a look for it, thanks.