Too much information can be dangerous!

[Rockingit]

Had a bit of a scrap on site yesterday with the site foreman after the plumber decided to go drilling underfloor heating pipes about 20mm away from my main rise of CU cables - and there's a lot of them!

I wanted to, and can (still) see no good reason not to, move the plumbing feed over one joist, problem solved. Anyway, all got a bit heated (pun intended) so off I trudge to get the BRB and thrust 528.3 under his nose - at which point he says "that's fine then, we'll just wrap some insulation around your cables"!!!!!

The reason that I put bRb in bold above is because the new wording in bGb is a little different, and does not use the word insulation. Unfortunately it was the BRB I had with me, not the BGB.

 

[telectrix]

"what a plonker" is the most appropriate phrase here. ( i am , of course, referring tom the site foreman )

 

[Deleted member 19807]

- at which point he says "that's fine then, we'll just wrap some insulation around your cables"!!!!!

The reason that I put bRb in bold above is because the new wording in bGb is a little different, and does not use the word insulation. Unfortunately it was the BRB I had with me, not the BGB.

so you said thats ok, i will just rip out all the cables and fit larger ones as they will now have to be de-rated due to insulation.

 

[Rockingit]

TBH, the whole job is a *-up. It's the foreman/site agent/QS that apparently spec'd the heating system design (ground source) and has just got some lad in to fit it. I pointed out to both of them that not only have they created a total nightmare for me in the kitchen (ceiling) both practically and also that there is underfloor heating AND downlights AND a sprinkler system in the same 150mm, but the 'plumber' hasn't even drilled through the joists 'in zone' - that just got a blank look from both of them.

Consequently, there is now 12m of basket running high temperature / heat resistant cable. In a domestic kitchen, on a new build. Crazy.

 

[Marvo]

Just hand them a new quote for the whole job to be redone in Pyro.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

If you got there first then its up to that plumber to site his pipes away from your cables and that foreman should know that n all.....so this plumbing guy`s a bit of a divvy then?.........

 

[PC Electrics]

Give your BCO a ring and tell him to get his @rse there and look at those holes. If they get a kicking for it, then they'll take the BRs more seriously in the future.

 

[Rockingit]

If you got there first then its up to that plumber to site his pipes away from your cables and that foreman should know that n all.....so this plumbing guy`s a bit of a divvy then?.........

I have a sneaky suspiscion that the foreman and plumber are related somehow! And plumber is so experienced he is still sporting bum-fluff.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Thing is though I`v mentioned before in this forum about plumbers being thick when it comes to proximities and mutual detremental influences and i said then that what they and us are being taught which to me should be common installation rules seems to be different......

 

[GLENNSPARK]

There not called "paul" and "barry" by any chance are they?.....lol....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

or iis one of em called "rowan"..?

 

[Rockingit]

Another part of the joke is that when I started to ask all the electrical questions for this heating, like wiring and zones etc, he didn't know. So I get given the design and spec manual to figure it out myself - and low and behold in it are all the correct instructions for where to drill through joists.

 

[Rockingit]

LOL!!! You really DO need to be careful what you put on the internet: I've just done some googling and guess what I found on Bebo.......

Me, Myself, and I: hello, my names ****** im 17 nd live in *****. im easy going nd just like going out wiv m8 nd havin a laugth!! im at collage doing a plumbing apprenteship nd hpe 2 b a plumber soon. i do a lot of bmxing, cuz i lov it nd its a gd sport 2 b into!

 

[telectrix]

There not called "paul" and "barry" by any chance are they?.....lol....

more like dumb and dumber.

 

[srewolf21]

plumbers are the bane of most electricians lives the word dense was invented for plumbers any trade happy to spend half it's time up to his elbows in excrement really shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. Personally I'd have finished the job as it was then reported it and failed the installation on the electrical installation certificate i.e I wouldn't have got one

 

[Rockingit]

The trouble is that it's all very well being officious and being by the book, but it's not great for business if you get perceived as a trouble maker!! I have actually muttered about not signing the job off, and I am going to take a load of photos before it gets boarded up. What I put on the paperwork as a deviation I have yet to decide, but the job is at least six weeks before finishing up. The plumber isnt there by day this week as he's on the training course for the heat exchanger so I've some time to myself.

 

[sim22]

Sat in the canteen at college on monday night, watched this bloke messing with the vending machine, pressing all the buttons that weren't lit, then his mate joins him + starts shoving the machine, eventually the one with the brain cell turned up + pressed one of the lit buttons .............. as if by magic a drink arrived !!!. Had to leave for fear of messing myself.

I'll let you guess which course they are doing :tounge_smile:

 

[telectrix]

that's nothing. was recently asked by a plumber to connect and certify UFH he has installed. not the mat, the cable on a roll. FFS. you can guess my answer, 2nd word was OFF.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

plumbers are the bane of most electricians lives the word dense was invented for plumbers any trade happy to spend half it's time up to his elbows in excrement really shouldn't be allowed to make decisions. Personally I'd have finished the job as it was then reported it and failed the installation on the electrical installation certificate i.e I wouldn't have got one

Well thats it int it.....you can usually tell what they are doing for a job when they walk past smelling of poo........

 

[telectrix]

look on the bright side. a plumber can be replaced by a 4" plunger. we, on the other hand are not expendable.