Another Bloody Cowboy, is this the worst CU change ever ???

[Adam W]

I think this is a good example of why part P is counter-productive - cash-strapped householders would rather pay a hundred quid in cash to help out a friend of a friend or the nice builder with kids to feed, than pay 4 times that to some obstructive electrician who keeps going on about how all of a sudden you need rcd protection and the bonding which has been there since you moved in now isn't good enough any more, wastes time faffing about with testing and wants you to pay a premium for a load of red tape, much of it going to the government anyway.

Some of this might seem reasonable if you're getting a perfectly competent commercial/industrial/retired electrician who sometimes does private jobs at the weekend and to whom it doesn't make financial sense to be a member of a scheme, but in this case I agree that this builder guy should be taken outside and shot.

 

[Guitarist]

Not even funny this one. Hope he is imprisoned for that.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

The thing is, he's probably looked at it (the bloke that did it), on here, and had a laugh with his mates. he'll never have to answer for it.

Still, a few hundred for someone a bit more ethical !

 

[alarm man]

I think this is a good example of why part P is counter-productive - cash-strapped householders would rather pay a hundred quid in cash to help out a friend of a friend or the nice builder with kids to feed, than pay 4 times that to some obstructive electrician who keeps going on about how all of a sudden you need rcd protection and the bonding which has been there since you moved in now isn't good enough any more, wastes time faffing about with testing and wants you to pay a premium for a load of red tape, much of it going to the government anyway.

Some of this might seem reasonable if you're getting a perfectly competent commercial/industrial/retired electrician who sometimes does private jobs at the weekend and to whom it doesn't make financial sense to be a member of a scheme, but in this case I agree that this builder guy should be taken outside and shot.

why is it just commercial/industrial sparks are competent and di's are qualified,scheme or not theres plenty of sparks do cash jobs,always has been always will be,part p wont change a thing never has never will,cant see the problem with a spark paying a fortune in tax & ni doing a bit for cash,id call it a rebate..until a spark (not a di) gets hauled up in front of the beak for doing work and not being part p and gets prosecuted(wont happen) nothing will change regards part p and cash jobs

 

[Guest111]

typical of some builders,once I had one who asked for a price for a job labour only then turned up with a load of secondhand gear,some of it covered in paint saw him once buying second hand gear from car boot sales.needless to say I walked away from it.but builders seem to be wanting maximum profit with minimum outlay and the electrics seem to be the favourite area for savings.

 

[rich.250]

I know of a local spark who was prosecuted for not being part p!
They called him incompetent! Mind you I do think he had done any updates in 30years since his apprenticeship! Lol.

Yet builders get away with this crap, that is far far far worse!
Makes no sense.
IMO part p needs higher entry requirements, but that's another story lol

 

[sparky-s-w]

i say well done to him, no mean feat cramming 2 lots of tails into such a small board.
could do with him next time im dressing a 90mm armoured.

send it to proffesional electrician magazine.

 

[alarm man]

I know of a local spark who was prosecuted for not being part p!
They called him incompetent! Mind you I do think he had done any updates in 30years since his apprenticeship! Lol.

Yet builders get away with this crap, that is far far far worse!
Makes no sense.
IMO part p needs higher entry requirements, but that's another story lol

have you got a link for that,part p needs scrapping simple as..

 

[Silly Sausage]

why is it just commercial/industrial sparks are competent and di's are qualified,scheme or not theres plenty of sparks do cash jobs,always has been always will be,part p wont change a thing never has never will,cant see the problem with a spark paying a fortune in tax & ni doing a bit for cash,id call it a rebate..until a spark (not a di) gets hauled up in front of the beak for doing work and not being part p and gets prosecuted(wont happen) nothing will change regards part p and cash jobs

I think the simple answer to that is, to be comm/ind, you invariably have to go through the interview/references process etc., whereas, it appears to me, virtually anyone can walk into someones house claiming to be an electrician, and by the looks of it, do whatever (and charge) they like.

 

[rich.250]

No mate, it was a local guy. I will ask around for some info

 

[jimmymac]

Terrible!

 

[sparks1973]

well...pics say it all really dont they....would be worth sending em in to PE for the `caught on camera` pages...

 

[Adam W]

I think the simple answer to that is, to be comm/ind, you invariably have to go through the interview/references process etc., whereas, it appears to me, virtually anyone can walk into someones house claiming to be an electrician, and by the looks of it, do whatever (and charge) they like.

Just to add to that I think to a certain extent the commercial & Industrial sectors are 'self-policing', ie the person responsible for employing the electrical contractor is paid to know what they're doing and should be able to sniff out the cowboys, thereby starving them of work and forcing them out of business.
In the domestic sector however the cowboy could be and are preying on the most vulnerable - the elderly, mentally ill, and just poorly informed people. Part P seems to have been implemented partly to protect these people.
This could be why on 'Matt Alright BBC Rogue Traders' we hear of 'fly-by-night' contractors (often roofing and driveways) ripping off domestic customers, but you never hear of them turning up on a site and ripping off the main contractor.

Speaking of 'Matt Alright BBC Rogue Traders' and misappropriating funds, that guy who rides the bike in Rogue Traders recently got 12 weeks for benefit fraud.
How ironic.

 

[parkerbloggs]

No problem- if cover doesn't fit, a bit of pruning is needed. Reach for the secateurs!!!

 

[i=p/u]

i am decent spark, looking at those pictures, i must start charging more

 

[Silly Sausage]

Adam, exactly, if you did work like this you'd get a severe ballocking as min, then be down the road if you carried on.
Domestics, they can just move on from one rubbish job to the next, and so it seems, get away with it.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Adam, exactly, if you did work like this you'd get a severe ballocking as min, then be down the road if you carried on.
Domestics, they can just move on from one rubbish job to the next, and so it seems, get away with it.

Yes.

If someone did work like that on my behalf, they'd get the bullet

 

[Guitarist]

Trouble is, as already pointed out, old Mrs Jones doesn't know any better, and trusts her qualified tradesman. How do these guys even sleep at night?

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Night nurse!

 

[Crosswire]

Holy Christ! That is seriously bad.