approved contractor top dogs????

[Geordie Spark]

Why ? ? ?

TONY ...... it's 2-35 am.

Switch off and go to bed NOW ..... you are depriving yourself of much-needed beauty sleep !!!

 

[Knobhead]

Geordie, much needed as my sleep is needed, it just doesn’t happen.

 

[Engineer54]

Why ? ? ?

I think he means that you ''NEED'' the meaningful foundation qualifications (2360/2330/or whatever the current equivalent G&G is now) and the all important experience to obtain a journeyman JIB electrician/approved electricians card. Not just the add-on 17th ed Qualification. It'll not be the cover all solution though, as industrial electricians and the like wouldn't hold such JIB cards.... But it'll be a good start!! lol!!

 

[ttsucks]

I think that being registered is a good thing overall. However that said, I haven't had a single job from being on the elecsa site, the electrical safety register or trustmark. People don't know about them. If it was pushed as much as gas safe it might just be of some benefit to everyone instead of being an extra tax on my scant enough earnings!!!

 

[ttsucks]

Just saw the post about JIB Cards.
Producing your jib card in order to get registered isn't a bad idea. Except for those of us who did an indentured apprenticeship many years ago before the jib got to say who can do what and who can't. I've got my own issue with them as they will not upgrade my card from installation electrician to approved electrician . This is because they no longer recognize the 2400. Apparently I have to go and take more qualifications I don't need. Pay more money.....yet again. Even though I have the c course on top of that. Progress eh

 

[Knobhead]

It makes sense for the contracting sector, not for the industrial side for things.

The JIB has never been recognised within the companies I’ve worked for. You were required to provide evidence of you’re training to be employed.

 

[Guest55]

however , the JIB do have the nearest thing to a national competency register that thoroughly assesses the quals / experience of all its members.
and there are many that support the creation of a UK electrical licencing system to replace the flimsy part p set up we have now , which the JIB would be better placed to impliment rather than nic , napit , L.A. et all.
just a thought..........

 

[7029 dave]

in days long gone by,niceic would not even consider you for registration unless you had been trading for at least a year.

 

[Dubbo]

What don't you agree with??

Getting registered as an ''Approved Contractor'' was at one time a big deal, and quite a lengthy process, ....it's not now!! A case in point is highlighted above, you would NEVER hear or see of a one man band at the age of 21 ever being registered as an approved contractor!! Just by definition, it would be highly unlikely that he could ever meet, what was then the full criteria to gain that status!!

The NICEIC are not Totally to blame, Part P has dragged the standards down NICEIC have had to move with it or they would have no members, in my opinion they make it a little harder to join than the others like I said you need 2 completed jobs for them the others let you do it as you go along. Yes I agree and remember when it was hard to become approved contractor now anyone can, at 21 you have lots to learn getting there in you late twenties

 

[Amp David]

Was it not the NIC who invented the term 'Domestic Installer'

 

[Knobhead]

Was it not the NIC who invented the term 'Domestic Installer'

Oh dear, I can see this getting messy.

Doesn't make the NIC out as good arbitors of standards does it?

 

[Guest55]

Oh dear, I can see this getting messy.

Doesn't make the NIC out as good arbitors of standards does it?

hmmm , gives me an idea for a new sig......

 

[shagbite]

Just saw the post about JIB Cards.
Producing your jib card in order to get registered isn't a bad idea. Except for those of us who did an indentured apprenticeship many years ago before the jib got to say who can do what and who can't. I've got my own issue with them as they will not upgrade my card from installation electrician to approved electrician .

This is because they no longer recognize the 2400.

Apparently I have to go and take more qualifications I don't need. Pay more money.....yet again. Even though I have the c course on top of that. Progress eh

whoever told you that is pulling your plums mate. the 2400 is just as valid as it's ever been.

normally, you need a level 3 testing qualification to get an approved grading (2391 or 2394/2395).

2400 is the qualification you need to get a technician's grading.

 

[dcelectrical]

when I wanted to get my scam membership I approached the niceic and was told I needed two jobs that were signed off - boxing clever I said "but I ain't got two jobs i'm just starting out" - the assessor then advised me to find two tidy installs and to pass them off as my own.
NAPIT and proud, they advised me to build a rig in my garage and they would assess me from that, went through my paperwork and left me alone.

as to getting any work from being a member or being on the trustmark website - forget it, its a nice pretty logo and some customers like the look of it, so from a marketing perspective it's lovely.

 

[Guest55]

when I wanted to get my scam membership I approached the niceic and was told I needed two jobs that were signed off - boxing clever I said "but I ain't got two jobs i'm just starting out" - the assessor then advised me to find two tidy installs and to pass them off as my own.
NAPIT and proud, they advised me to build a rig in my garage and they would assess me from that, went through my paperwork and left me alone.

as to getting any work from being a member or being on the trustmark website - forget it, its a nice pretty logo and some customers like the look of it, so from a marketing perspective it's lovely.

no offence to yourself but thats so ridiculous its laughable.

nic freely accepts fake assessment of someone elses jobs -
why do the jobs they assess you on need to be already notified ?
it makes no difference to the actual electrical work itself ?
why couldnt they allow you to notify the jobs after your membership had commenced is beyond me.....

then napit suggest a poxy diy rig as a means of confirming membership suitability

you really couldnt make this up could you.
well , so long as the cheque clears , thats the main thing.

 

[dcelectrical]

can't we just give the forum 100 notes a year and they can start their own scam, just sent the customer a nice note saying that their friendly sparks has just put details of what a frugal tight wad they are on the site and also include pictures of customers wives (not that I've seen any worth picturing)

 

[PEG]

Membership could be along similar lines to the old Japanese motorcycle licence requirements,memership ONLY to those who can lift their missus above their head. I can do it,but am i strong or is she skinny? :lips:

 

[Welchyboy1]

Thewhole thing is getting pointless now, and has totally lost my respect

just the words part p make my toes curl, im at the brink of not actually bothering to notify any jobs at all, whats the point in it all?


(Will still be testing and certing tho

 

[Amp David]

Isn't any point. The ones i've not bothered with have never ever been pulled. But then again, as in my other post, only take cash for jobs that are less than 600 quid, so no way they're getting notified to scam. Paper trail and all that:44:

 

[Guitarist]

Unfortunately, I have to agree that there seems no penalty for people not notifying work. Nearly every job I see will have had notifiable work carried out in the last few years, yet there's not even any testing paperwork on most, let alone a notification certificate.
I honestly don't think that the authorities have a clue how much work is done by DIY'ers/Builders/plumbers/pretend electricians.
I really do feel like I'm the only mug who bothers following the rules most of the time, and what do the power-that-be do about it? They couldn't care less.