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They already have, and modified the BA & helmets to minimise this risk, the Coroner came down hard on the Fire & Rescue services & the electrical industry.simple solution.... issue all firefighters with a pair of these:
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They already have, and modified the BA & helmets to minimise this risk, the Coroner came down hard on the Fire & Rescue services & the electrical industry.simple solution.... issue all firefighters with a pair of these:
Interesting point, but I wonder whether in practice firefighters crawl through basements so small they cannot bend their knees, in burning buildings, on the one-in-a-million chance there is someone in there. If not, then where is the cut-off?I'd go with Yes, as I presume that firefighters would have to search every room, in case of a fire.
"Sorry about the body in the basement, but as it was a maintenance area I thought there would be no one there, so we didn't search it." would not go down well..
Interesting point, but I wonder whether in practice firefighters crawl through basements so small they cannot bend their knees, in burning buildings, on the one-in-a-million chance there is someone inI'd go with Yes, as I presume that firefighters would have to search every room, in case of a fire.
"Sorry about the body in the basement, but as it was a maintenance area I thought there would be no one there, so we didn't search it." would not go down well..
OK bad example on my part, maybe a cable clipped to a dado rail (if anyone's ever done that)? That said, I don't think cables clipped to skirtings are excluded, unless the cables are actually supported by the floor. Perhaps a cable falling away from a skirting could at least become a trip hazard?If the cables can't fall down because their failed, how can someone (or a fireman) become entrapped in them, thereby falling (forgive the pun) into the interpretation of said definition?
Like, hows a cable clipped to a skirting, gonna entrap a fireman?
Interesting. Perhaps we need some clarification about which metals are suitable and how we identify them.I think the self drive plasterboard fixings are made from an alloy so they may well melt too early as well. Though I do not know the alloy used.
The metal wall plugs are probably the simplest but would have really too great a sideways force for weak substrates and could readily shatter the wall.
Presumably someone will come up with a product like the D line clips, vastly overpriced and annoying.
The regs already say a light must be fixed to the joists or similar to avoid the plasterboard giving way in the event of a fire burning off the paper -
Yes I most certainly do and stupidly made a mistake when I ordered the last batch. I wrote 1000 on the order against each of 4 sizes along with various sizes of screws and no one questioned the quantity. The delivery was made, the invoice sent and account paid, all 3 being done in their usual efficient manner. Imagine my surprise when I next went to the shelf and found 28 boxes containing 144 boxes each of 200 alex plugs on the floor where I expected to see 20 small boxes on the shelf. Weirdly there were only 5 boxes of each size of screw delivered.Do any of you old geezers out there remember ALEX plugs in the 70's. They were an aluminium rawlplug an always gave you a solid fixing - much better than the plastic ones. Perhaps they are the solution to this problem.
Just checked and they don't . What they do say (to paraphrase and abbreviate) is that adequate means to fix shall be provided, capable of supporting not less that 5kg, and installed in accordance with manufacturer's instructions. I'd question the ability of plasterboard to support 5kG with any form of raw plug (perhaps others can correct me), and I know at least some manufacturers' instructions specify fixing to joists or other timber rather than plasterboard. Where I have read that this is to avoid the plasterboard giving way in the event of a fire burning off the paper, I couldn't tell you.Do they? Which regulation is that?
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