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lazyIH

Hi

First post, so please be gentle. Am about to take the plunge and have a 4 kW PV system installed on a south south east facing roof.

Am seeking advice on which of the 2 following sets of panels would give us the best return:

16 x SolarWorld Mono Black (250w) panels

or

12 x Sunpower E20 327w panels

Any and all advice welcome

Cheers

LazyIH
 
if you can fit 16 solarworld panels on the roof without it ending up in shading or any other issues, then this will always give the best returns because they will / should cost significantly less than the sunpower.

no point paying for efficiency just to have more roof tiles on show, and solarworld are every bit as quality as sunpower, if not more so on a build quality, and likely lifespan scenario.

If they're the same price then get another quote for solarworld from someone more reasonable, as they shouldn't be the same price.
 
Thank you for your responses. Have just done rough pacing out inside house, I calculate 7.8 metres, so yes this might be classed as a little roof :stooge_curly:

Aim was to get as close to 4kW as we could, yep you guys are correct the Sunpower are expensive !
 
If you have restricted roof space and value for money is paramount, have a look at the 285W JA Solar silver framed panels. Very competitive price. 14 panels will get you as near as 4kW as makes no difference. 12 is still a good sized system. Shouldn't cost anymore than 16 250w panels.

if you have your heart set on black framed panels, you will pay a premium for higher output panels.
 
Black framed panels on houses should be part of planning, silver framed panels look terrible on any roof top ( not commercial) the price of black panels such as solarWorld are cheap enough to not warrant using silver framed modules.
We install 4kw solarWorld for £6k now.
 
Black framed panels on houses should be part of planning, silver framed panels look terrible on any roof top ( not commercial) the price of black panels such as solarWorld are cheap enough to not warrant using silver framed modules.
We install 4kw solarWorld for £6k now.

OK as far as it goes but rather a simplification.

If it is the principal elevation of the property (that facing the road or the one most seen) the aesthetics of the installation are vital. In these circumstances we recommend roof integration of the system and we always use black framed panels. It is also important to go for a symmetrical layout of the panels using only one orientation. We all see absolute dog's breakfasts of installs which should be deemed a criminal offence.

What if it is not the principal elevation where the visual impact is negligible? It is then not a great issue whether the panel frame is black or silver. If the array is on the side roof of a property where it won't be seen, why pay the premium for a black framed or all black panel?

Some buildings are like a face only a mother could love, and quite frankly whether the PV array frames are black or silver won't make it any more or less attractive.

Our skill and professionalism as installers should be in providing the most appropriate system for the customer in the given location. Appropriate, also includes cost effective. Cost effective does not mean the cheapest kit on the market.

It is important for the Starter of this thread to have some handle on the relative cost of different panel options. If we start with a premium black framed panel such as LG 250W or maybe SolarWorld 250W we could index their price as 100 in terms of cost per watt. The JA 285W Silver framed panel mentioned would index at 98. The LG285W black framed panel, 125, and the LG300W black frame, 130. I don't have immediate access to information on the Sunpower 327W, but think they would index at around 150.

We have done a job this week with 12 LG300. The price premium pushed up the cost of the install. From the customer's viewpoint, it was still a cost effective option.

Remember that the panels only make up one part of the price of the install. Other costs are fixed, notably the labour content. Inverter choice is also important and one on which many have their own view.

There is considerable downward price pressure on panels at the moment. We get daily emails with offer prices well below an index price of 80 for silver framed 250W polycrystalline units, some from known manufacturers with good provenance. This will feed through to the upper end of the market.

Which would bring me back to SolarWorld. Due to their own lack of investment, they found their production facilities to be uncompetitive in a world market. Rather than deal with this they were the main complainant to the EU Commission about Chinese panels that led to the so called anti dumping legislation. The irony is they have been selling panels at less than the barrier price. Their actions are holding back the market, in the end will be ineffective and counter productive. They may be made in Europe but are no better than most Chinese made panels.

What is important for the starter of this thread, is to achieve the best possible outcome for the given expenditure. I would hope who they choose provides a realistic output prediction and an accurately calculated payback period.
 
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Thank you all for the advice given so far, plus amusing comments.

Looks like I will be going for a fourteen panel system, so am thinking panels around 285w should get within a whisker of the 4kW I am wanting. As you guys say it is a financial balancing act, trying to get the best long term gain for the right initial outlay.

thanks again
 
They may be made in Europe but are no better than most Chinese made panels.
ah, now you have a point about the politics etc, but on the quality of the panels...... sorry but I can't agree with you on the quality.

The quality of the solarworld panels is obvious as soon as you pick one up, but go to their factory and it's pretty astounding the lengths they go to to test and check everything from the cell through to the finished panel - 3 x electroluminescence testing on every panel at different stages in the process for example, with automatic testing, visual checking and the ability to pull a faulty cell out and replace it, and 98% automation, so nobody using mallets and mastic tubes to put the panels together.

They also have 8MW of solar plant feeding in to the factory, apparently made up from the B grade panels that failed the testing at the final testing stage after it's too late to fix them. Any companies that are only doing random testing, or testing at only one stage of the process are going to end up with those b grade panels going out to market with microcracks and hot spots in the cells.

I'm not easily impressed, but I was impressed.

Puts the UK manufacturers to shame really, though it is something like a billion Euro plant. good to see it running full tilt 24/7 as well.
 

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