What is a Domestic Installer ?

[Dave Buchan]

Hi guys,

Here's an interesting one for you, if you look at the attachment on this post from the IET they define a domestic installer as " not an electrician "

If you go to the niceic website and click the 'FIND ELECTRICIAN' tab and select 'ALL ELECTRICAL WORK' it will display various domestic installers and approved contractors in your local area.

So is the domestic installer an ELECTRICIAN?

According to the people who write the national safety standards apparently this is not the case.......

Yet the guys who regulate them for crucial safety reasons seem to know otherwise.....

So who is right?

The IET

or

NICEIC

 

[1shortcircuit]

 

[gibo]

that's a government website and as such should never be considered a truthful or reliable source ;-)

 

[gibo]

domestic installer - level 2 qualification.
electrician - level 3 qualification.
I did EAL Level 2 Certificate for Domestic Installers.
2392-10 Fundamental Inspection and Testing - Level 2.
and Level 3 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations (BS7671 2008).
I assume it means an inspect and test level 3 qual.
however, to join elecsa's part p scheme the only qualification needed is the regs course and to pass assessment. you don't even need to do the part p qual. lights blue touch paper, stands well back

 

[timo1]

Here are my thoughts...I am a Domestic Installer and got my C + G quals through ATL and took me just over a year. I have no illusions about my limitations and I would not describe myself as an electrician, in fact I often correct people if they refer to me as such.

My personal opinion is that an electrician is time served with an apprenticeship and in theory can be placed in front of any electrical installation and have a good understanding of motors etc...

I am fortunate to be able to be doing my NVQ3 with a friend who has his own company and I hope to complete this and get my JIB card, I also have my 2391 later in the year. Usual story too old to get an apprenticeship now and with a family to support not an option.

I am happy with electrics in a domestic setting and I like to think I do a neat job, work to regs and provide a good service but am learning all the time, and you cant put a price on experience, which is why you need to work with someone time served. I feel I am still working towards the accreditation "Electrician" Which I think the JIB are still protecting and fair play for doing so.

I can't blame anyone for feeling peeved that this industry has effectively watered down their profession, but its happening everywhere, transport the Public sector you name it, everywhere now has somebody with a clipboard wanting money off you so you can be qualified to continue the job you were already doing, madness....

 

[gibo]

well said timo1. I am in similar situation to you. i'm running my own business and working with a retired time served electrician so I can learn from him. the nearest thing to an apprenticeship I can get. plus he won't spike me with the test meter, or just use me as a skivvy/gopher/teamaid

 

[Electricalserv]

An electrician

One whose occupation is the installation, maintenance, repair, or operation of electric equipment and circuitry.

 

[RWJ]

An electrician

One whose occupation is the installation, maintenance, repair, or operation of electric equipment and circuitry.

So buy that definition my kids, who love turning lights off and on.... and off.... and back on...
Would be classed as electricians...... Still they're probably better qualified than me!

 

[1shortcircuit]

So buy that definition my kids, who love turning lights off and on.... and off.... and back on...
Would be classed as electricians...... Still they're probably better qualified than me!

You better raise their pocket money lol

 

[RWJ]

You better raise their pocket money lol

Yeah!!

One last night got a £2 pay out from the tooth fairy!........ It was about 20p in my day!!

 

[04gallsopp]

4 week wonder and they are calling them self a spark . It isnt right and the amount of "cock ups" we go to and have to rectify because ... DIY or 4 weeks specials have attempted works . You say has any recent work taken place and they say "no ... nothing for 15 year " their blatently has because new colours are in use. Rant over.

 

[RWJ]

I was talking to an area engineer from "a scheme" a while ago....

He compared it to
First Aiders - That do a short course
& Doctors that are far more qualified and experienced..

Not sure I completely agree to be honest.

 

[focusphil]

4 week wonder and they are calling them self a spark . It isnt right and the amount of "cock ups" we go to and have to rectify because ... DIY or 4 weeks specials have attempted works . You say has any recent work taken place and they say "no ... nothing for 15 year " their blatently has because new colours are in use. Rant over.

What is it about people on this site ?if you have been on the relevant courses and meet the criteria then you can do electrical work on domestic installations, we are all doing the same job to BS 7671, approved electricians didn't write this book . why do they think they're something that they are not,all the clever ones in this industry are dead and buried,Edison,Georg Ohm, Michael Faraday, James Clarke ,Werner von Siemens etc etc we are all wire pullers get real !!!

 

[Johnny-G]

The terms Domestic Installer & Electrician can refer to completely different fields of work.
There are DI's who are fantastic at what they do & some who are crap, just as there are Electricians as bad & good.
Their description isn't important really, their work is what matters.

 

[Electricalserv]

:nono:

What is it about people on this site ?if you have been on the relevant courses and meet the criteria then you can do electrical work on domestic installations, we are all doing the same job to BS 7671, approved electricians didn't write this book . why do they think they're something that they are not,all the clever ones in this industry are dead and buried,Edison,Georg Ohm, Michael Faraday, James Clarke ,Werner von Siemens etc etc we are all wire pullers get real !!!

Some better than others though. There are 3 letters which I am not allowed to say anymore for the fear of being banned (thanks)

 

[pushrod]

All cod are fish, but not all fish are cod - think DIs and electricians. Just because someone is working as a DI does not mean that they are not an electrician as well. The important thing is that people undertake work that they are competent to do - unfortunately we have all read examples on here where that is not the case.
(Oh my - what has happened to the little yella fellas) arty:arty:arty:arty:

 

[1shortcircuit]

The Electrician is the one holding the balloon... The rest are Domestic Installers

 

[VoltzElectrical]

No we dont, no we dont, no we dont!!!!!!!!!!

what a lovely terrace voice you have lenny!

 

[migspat30]

I am sick of these " domestic installers " and " be an electrician in four week wonders " , i served a four year apprenticeship and didn,t sit in a college class listening to a guy with patches on his arms to allow these schemes to cheapen my trade , Gas installers wouldn,t stand for it so why do we ?

 

[focusphil]

I am sick of these " domestic installers " and " be an electrician in four week wonders " , i served a four year apprenticeship and didn,t sit in a college class listening to a guy with patches on his arms to allow these schemes to cheapen my trade , Gas installers wouldn,t stand for it so why do we ?

I rest my case!!!

 

[migspat30]

its not my fault you missed the boat Focusphil , its apprentices that should be getting trained properly , not someone who has been working in a shoe shop for 10 years then decides to get his finger out his **** and get a decent job , goes on a mickey mouse course then thinks there a spark . experience is the answer , i,ve been doing this for 17 years and am still learning so what chance has a 4 weeker got , none thats what