Anyone go the BBB to hand - reg regarding mix and match

[Octopus]

So next week I have to add a circuit to this board:

My plan is to add a Wylex breaker ........... but how would the BBB wording cover this?

I haven't bough the BBB yet!

After all, its not me that added the 3rd party breakers

 

[Andy78]

I think your work would be perfectly fine. A note on the cert might be in order. Also see what Wylex have to say about that. Would be a costly swap to change all those out.

 

[Pete999]

So next week I have to add a circuit to this board:

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My plan is to add a Wylex breaker ........... but how would the BBB wording cover this?

I haven't bough the BBB yet!

After all, its not me that added the 3rd party breakers

Not sure if you will be able to read this PDF the NICEIC told me to read when I asked their help desk, no I'm not a member.
Sorry cant copy it, it's a Beama pdf safe selection of devices for installation in enclosures, you should be able to Google it for yourself.

 

[Octopus]

I think your work would be perfectly fine. A note on the cert might be in order. Also see what Wylex have to say about that. Would be a costly swap to change all those out.

Hum ............ asking Wylex will surely ONLY result in the recommendation for them to make bigger profits swap Harok for Wylex

So I'm not going there

 

[Octopus]

Not sure if you will be able to read this PDF the NICEIC told me to read when I asked their help desk, no I'm not a member.
file:///C:/Users/Pete/Desktop/Safe%20Selection%20of%20Devices%20for%20Installation%20in%20Assemblies%20(1).pdf

Pete - thats a link to your hard drive

Could you post the PDF?

 

[Pete999]

Pete - thats a link to your hard drive

Could you post the PDF?

No it wont let me, copyright or something

 

[westward10]

Go onto a website for a company called United Electrical Products where under the rcbo section you will see these Harok devices with a claim they are Wylex compatible. Not sure Mr Wylex will support that.

 

[Octopus]

None of the car manufactures have tried to stop people fitting 3rd party brake pads to their cars - MCB's and RCBO's are no different....

 

[davesparks]

None of the car manufactures have tried to stop people fitting 3rd party brake pads to their cars - MCB's and RCBO's are no different....

Yes they are different, a better comparison for brake pads would be lamps, they wear out and need to be replaced.

MCBs and RCBOs form part of a type tested assembly to a specific European standard, mixing parts which have not been type tested together results in a potentially non-compliant assembly.

Brake pads are a service item designed to be replaced at regular intervals as they wear.

 

[Octopus]

back to my OP - can anyone share the wording of this "new" reg?

 

[westward10]

Have a pic.

 

[The Ghost]

If you are installing to 18th edition (not that you need to) you will need the regs exam and BBB surely to make sure you are compliant with 18th edition that comes into force Jan 2019. Why do you not just keep to 17th and not be premature? Anyway if you put a wylex fuse in the spare way you are not mixing anything, whoever put the others in did the mixing which in no way affects your work.

 

[westward10]

All this new Reg does is reinforce what many people should not be doing in the first place, there has always been a requirement to follow manufacturers instructions. For those who do not mix and attempt to match this Reg is irrelevant.

 

[The Ghost]

Any MCB currently complying with 60898 should be universally the same, standard, operation, characteristics. If the shape of it fits whats the big deal. Is this not actually manufacturers using the regs to enhance their own monopoly and business model? Like Hager getting in the reg about MF junction boxes to stop Wago from getting into the european market? Get a grip the reg should be changed to if an MCB fits without chopping the consumer unit about then use it for goodness sake!

 

[westward10]

The issue is not individual component specification but the integrity of the whole part.

 

[The Ghost]

I cannot imagine in any way the integrity of the CU would be compromised in any way by a different brand I think it is nonsense. However I do compy with regs and don't mix as I do not wish to increase my liability through non-compliance.

 

[Pete999]

I cannot imagine in any way the integrity of the CU would be compromised in any way by a different brand I think it is nonsense. However I do compy with regs and don't mix as I do not wish to increase my liability through non-compliance.

The way I read it is, you can mix providing the manufacturers agree and that you install to the highest professional standards, yes I agree Vorty a ridiculous ruling, one I believe the IET will regret,and hopefully rescind.

 

[westward10]

It is a long awaited Reg in my opinion. If you mix and match the onus is upon you to provide the necessary information and documentation the same as any manufacturer does to verify compliance with relevant standards.

 

[The Ghost]

I regulary put Schneider MCB etc. in old Merlin Gerin/Sqaure D DBs' Could just as easily been Wylex or MK depends who bought the rights really doesn't it?

 

[westward10]

Schneider provide plenty of info for the compatibility of their new devices in existing Merlin Gerin and Square D boards. Square D and Merlin Gerin were acquired by Schneider in 1991 and 1992 respectively and continue to produce devices for existing boards under the new brand.