What is a Domestic Installer ?

[Dave Buchan]

Hi guys,

Here's an interesting one for you, if you look at the attachment on this post from the IET they define a domestic installer as " not an electrician "

If you go to the niceic website and click the 'FIND ELECTRICIAN' tab and select 'ALL ELECTRICAL WORK' it will display various domestic installers and approved contractors in your local area.

So is the domestic installer an ELECTRICIAN?

According to the people who write the national safety standards apparently this is not the case.......

Yet the guys who regulate them for crucial safety reasons seem to know otherwise.....

So who is right?

The IET

or

NICEIC

 

[Des 56]

craft electrician sounds like someone who works with kit cars

Or cheese

 

[topquark]

Or ships

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Or even....dolls houses........

 

[sbrown2]

maybe I meant "craftman electrician"! I was trying not to be sexist!!!

Also I thought craftsman electrician was a common term in industry or am I showing my age or the industry I worked in!!!!!

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Craftsman is still used as the term for Private Soldier in the Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers, so bottom of the food chain.....as you progress you either become an Artisan (time served) or an Artificer (further training)...........

So on that basis, Im happy to be called a Craftsman Electrician, because as a DI, I am in at the bottom..............BUT LEARNING FAST!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Craftsman is still used as the term for Private Soldier in the Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers, so bootom of the food chain.....as you progress you either become an Artisan (time served) or an Artificer (further training)...........

So on that basis, Im happy to be called a Craftsman Electrician, because as a DI, I am in at the bottom..............BUT LEARNING FAST!

Artificer...I haven't heard that in years!
When I was an Instrument Tech down Avonmouth way they used to call us Tiffies.

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Inst tech, a very posh phrase for window cleaner :biggrinjester: And yes "Tiff" and "Tiffy" are still in full use..........

 

[Silly Sausage]

Inst tech, a very posh phrase for window cleaner :biggrinjester:

Haha...

I'll restrain myself from posting any Electrician v Instrument Tech jokes...:wink_smile:

 

[Knobhead]

Electrical technician Vs Instrument artificer, electrician Vs instrument fitter.
Oh dear that old chestnut.
Many an hours arguments over whose job it was. We were members of the same union but fought like cat and dog over every thing, I was the shop steward, piggy in the middle! I couldn’t do right for doing wrong. I was whipping boy for four shop floor camps and the management!

 

[highspark]

I would presume a domestic installer is an electrician who installs in domestic premises. Although I don't personally consider the short course guys electricians. The 17th edition, 2392 and a domestic installers qual can all be done in 6 weeks with no practical experience.

 

[Jurassic Sparks]

is there not soem wording in the health and safety at work act ( statutory) that describes an electrician as a competent person ( can be used in court) experienced through training, qualification and experience !
me I got lots of experience just none of it much use !!!

 

[stansmith]

domestic installers under any scheme arent electricians i can install in a house next day i can do an office refurb and the next i can work in a chemical plant or a water treatment plant or any industrial site the difference between REAL electricians and domestic installers who ive seen their posts on this site and their lack of basic electrical knowledge is surprising and shocking and i think imho they should give up hang up their cowboy hats and stop paying these stupid part p money making scams!

 

[Jurassic Sparks]

well I trained as an electrician a long long while ago
but due to working for the Government for many years on specialist works I was out of touch
even though I am supposed to be qualified
I took a part p course as a refresher when I was made reduntant and was surprised also at the lack of general practical electrical knowledge of some of the course attendess
however soem of them were also very bright and learnt fast and were in many ways more competent than me
I have worked with many time served electricians who were lethal and just did not care or did not want to keep abreast of things, often small simples problems were beyond them
one chap could not resolve a problem with a 3 way lighting system he just knew you stuck that wire in that terminal but give hime a test meter and he was stuck yet he was the foreman!!!
I hve also done other courses as well through Napit to add to my knowledge and am still learning after 40 odd years
but I do agree some of the people on the courses are ill trained but I have seen that in many other trades
just look at some car drivers!!

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Jurassic, basically I think you hit the nail firmly on the head...............:biggrin5:

 

[stansmith]

well you can compare the situation to a few rough sparks you know but that doesnt make you right jurrasic,

i know a few rough sparks myself but i know a lot of time served intelligent electricians which always outweigh the "oh i didnt have time to train " apparent electricians. Whatever excuse jurrassic your not an electrician and probably never will be you can go on about how quick the people on the courses pick things up but its not enough time to learn even a tenth of the practical and technical skills needed and thats why you see so many threads started by you domestic installers and your all shocking I wouldnt let one anywhere near my or any of my familys houses id slam the door in your cowboy face

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Being an electrician is no diferent to being a mechanic (especially heavy duty). A couple of the best guys I had working for me had no formal training, but were gifted in what they did, they could visualise problems and make prompt and safe repairs. I had one highly trained guy who managed to fit brake pads into a 13T armoured vehicle capable of doing 40mph the wrong way round. The design of the system should not allowed this to happen , but he did it, turning a relatively safe vehicle into a killing machine. Its not so much the knowledge, but the application of it, and Ive seen too many trained and highly qualified people stick their heads up their backsides and blame others for their lack of training. I have also found the eleitist attitude shown by some here, can breed complacency and a failing to keep up with current standards and methods. With every trade, there is good and bad, and I take pride in being in the top 10% of domestic installers because I apply myself to learn, continually improve and above all do the job right.

 

[Jurassic Sparks]

well according to my apprenticeship with GEC and my courses and training I am supposed to be an electrician and for many years worked for the government on stuff i cannot tell you about but is quite complex and needs the apllication of a little thought
also for many years I managed the maintenance both electrical and mechanical of a joinery shop and sawmill and thats 3 phase
plsu intruder alarms fire alarms analogue and digital
oh and for the last few weeks I have been touring Italy on my Motorcycle and managed to converse in reasonable italian in places where you never see the english holidaymaker and even fix the guzzi when it broke down near bologna
so I must be half intelligent
mi dispiace non sono de quie
but at my age and being a grandfather and also having built 2 sailing boats by hands from drawings I dont worry so much, next week I am building a summerhouse for a client ok thats not a sparkies jobs but I have a 6 months waiting list and dont advertise
one funny thing I did notice after riding 3500 miles around france switzerland and italy all Audi drivers go faster than any one else
is this significant
do they build in mind control to the dashboard
and if you liek contact sports try riding through rome and getting shoved out of the way by a 70 year old granny on a vespa saying Fa Vafanculo which to the untrained ear sounds like a compliment but tis not
hey I digress
oh and I am also a highly paid film star along george clooneys lines
well actually thats not true I had a bit part in a new TV series called |Woolwich but I dont like to brag about how many attractive young ladies fought over riding on my bike
heres a pic to cheer you up

http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n600/russthebiker/Italytrip135.jpg

 

[alarm man]

i agree with stan,look at the posts by chrisg,and he's out doing it to unsuspecting punters under the guise of part p electrician..the punters dont know the craic..

 

[Graeme Harrold]

*****

Totally uncalled for. If you cant come up with something intelligent, keep the mouse away from the post button..............

 

[alarm man]

Ive seen too many trained and highly qualified people stick their heads up their backsides and blame others for their lack of training. I have also found the eleitist attitude shown by some here, can breed complacency and a failing to keep up with current standards and methods. With every trade, there is good and bad, and I take pride in being in the top 10% of domestic installers because I apply myself to learn, continually improve and above all do the job right.

i hope that was tongue in cheek man..