Boiler spur location

[Rosco]

Good morning guys and girls
I have attended a kitchen rewire this morning to test a install buy a 3rd party.
The boiler spur is directly above the draining board I'm quite sure this shouldn't be the case. I've been told by the installer that "it's fine it's rcd protected" is this just waffle to get me to sign it off.
Surely it's the same principle as a light switch inside a bathroom?

 

[Andy78]

If you are signing off a third party cert, were you not involved at the start of the job ?
There is nothing to say that a FCU cannot be near a draining board, just as there is nothing wrong with a plate switch in a bathroom.

Suitability for the environmental effects likely to be encountered is the reg you have to consider here, and that's your call.

 

[Rosco]

If you are signing off a third party cert, were you not involved at the start of the job ?
There is nothing to say that a FCU cannot be near a draining board, just as there is nothing wrong with a plate switch in a bathroom.

Suitability for the environmental effects likely to be encountered is the reg you have to consider here, and that's your call.

The work was done by the kitchen fitters my boss has just sent me to do a test on the whole house.
I personally wouldn't put the spur that close

 

[Andy78]

The work was done by the kitchen fitters my boss has just sent me to do a test on the whole house.
I personally wouldn't put the spur that close

Which scheme are you notifying the work through ?
The 2 schemes that I know of that offer third party notification, Napit and Stroma, both require inspection at first and second fix.

You will be signing your name to the fact that you have inspected the cables at first fix and that all is compliant. If you personally are not happy with how things have been done, then don't sign your name to it.

 

[kingeri]

My boiler FCU and a single socket for the controls are above the draining board, approx 700mm above. I have managed to survive several years with this setup so far, but I do feel like I'm living on borrowed time.

 

[Rosco]

We use the nic for all certs our qs deals with all the necessary notifying so wouldnt know, if it's not against regs can I put it as recommendation for improvement?

 

[kingeri]

We use the nic for all certs our qs deals with all the necessary notifying so wouldnt know, if it's not against regs can I put it as recommendation for improvement?

I wouldn't see it as appropriate to be recommending improvements on new work!

 

[Andy78]

We use the nic for all certs our qs deals with all the necessary notifying so wouldnt know, if it's not against regs can I put it as recommendation for improvement?

Are you there to do a periodic report ?

 

[kingeri]

What's the distance from the draining board to the bottom of the FCU?

 

[kingeri]

Are you there to do a periodic report ?

Does seem odd, if he's doing an EICR then he shouldn't be concerned about one specific issue, just give an honest appraisal of the whole installation. If he's doing a MWEIC or EIC then he can't be recommending improvements!!

 

[Rosco]

Are you there to do a periodic report ?

Yea condition report

 

[Rosco]

What's the distance from the draining board to the bottom of the FCU?

100mm 1 tile

 

[kingeri]

100mm 1 tile

And this work has just been done you say?

 

[Rosco]

Does seem odd, if he's doing an EICR then he shouldn't be concerned about one specific issue, just give an honest appraisal of the whole installation. If he's doing a MWEIC or EIC then he can't be recommending improvements!!

From what I can gather the landlord has asked us for a EICR and has had a new kitchen fitted and new services

 

[Andy78]

Yea condition report

Then carry it out as normal then. You are not "signing off" anyone's work as you stated in the first post are you ?
Do you have the recent EIC/MWC from the kitchen install to hand ?

 

[kingeri]

So does he have an EIC or minor works cert for the new work?

 

[Rosco]

So does he have an EIC or minor works cert for the new work?

i don't think so he didn't mention when I asked about why the spur was that close to the drainer, I've always been under the impression that accessories should be kept away from sinks and draining boards

 

[Andy78]

One of the first thing you should ask for when doing a periodic inspection is previous certs, especially recent ones. Ask for the certs, make a note on the report if there are none to the effect that recent work has not been carried out to BS7671, code the FCU referencing specific regulations if you see fit, job done.

 

[kingeri]

The FCU is very likely to be splashed with water, in fact it will be if it's so close, so at the very least it is unsuitable for the environment, unless it's suitably IP rated.

 

[Octopus]

Best you give it an unsatisfactory then or have you been told to give it a satisfactory?

 

[Rosco]

Best you give it an unsatisfactory then or have you been told to give it a satisfactory?

 

[Rosco]

Best you give it an unsatisfactory then or have you been told to give it a satisfactory?

I have put in as unsatisfactory, but what happens when it leaves the office is anyone's guess

 

[DPG]

I have put in as unsatisfactory, but what happens when it leaves the office is anyone's guess

Anyone who correctly uses a possessive apostrophe in that sentence is ok by me. Grammar nazis rule! Daz.

 

[Toneyz]

Good morning guys and girls
I have attended a kitchen rewire this morning to test a install buy a 3rd party.
The boiler spur is directly above the draining board I'm quite sure this shouldn't be the case. I've been told by the installer that "it's fine it's rcd protected" is this just waffle to get me to sign it off.
Surely it's the same principle as a light switch inside a bathroom?

Lets put a double socket over the bath to plug the fire in well its RCD protected it's fine !!!!!!!!!

 

[Wilko]

100mm 1 tile

Hi - I use the IET Electrician's Guide to the Building Regulations and Figure 5.2.2 may be relevant?

View attachment 35278

 

[Octopus]

I have put in as unsatisfactory, but what happens when it leaves the office is anyone's guess

If you don't trust your employer ... keep a copy of how you submitted it.

 

[sparksburnout]

Anyone who correctly uses a possessive apostrophe in that sentence is ok by me. Grammar nazis rule! Daz.

Nice, nice, very nice. Grammar spot on,the rest, well, the mind boggles.
Wasn't Rosco a DJ on radio Caroline?

 

[Rosco]

If you don't trust your employer ... keep a copy of how you submitted it.

I do take pictures then email them to myself as I've had that before

 

[Rosco]

Nice, nice, very nice. Grammar spot on,the rest, well, the mind boggles.
Wasn't Rosco a DJ on radio Caroline?

Radio Caroline? I don't know who that is but I bet she's "sweet"

 

[Toneyz]

I take 300mm as a basic rule as above as no direct reg stating distance,regarding testing if I have read the posts correctly you work for a NICEIC D.I. firm.NIC don't do 3rd party, kitchen fitters do work you test it as condition report and your company notifiys it as they done work to building control via NICEIC web site this as well as the cert being forged as satisfactory this is not correct.

 

[sparksburnout]

Radio Caroline? I don't know who that is but I bet she's "sweet"

It was on Medium Wave, it used to fade in and out again. A bit like 3rd party certification when you have not even seen the first fix.

 

[Risteard]

if I have read the posts correctly you work for a NICEIC D.I. firm.

Presumably AC given that he is using NIC forms for an EICR (unless he has an EICR add-on for DI).

 

[Toneyz]

Presumably AC given that he is using NIC forms for an EICR (unless he has an EICR add-on for DI).

you can be a niceic D.I. they use the purple certs red is for AC and green for anyone to purchase the A.C. & D.I. have tracable numbering.

 

[Risteard]

you can be a niceic D.I. they use the purple certs red is for AC and green for anyone to purchase the A.C. & D.I. have tracable numbering.

Not for EICR I don't think. I think EICR is excluded from the scope of DI unless you do a further assessment for it.

 

[Toneyz]

Not for EICR I don't think. I think EICR is excluded from the scope of DI unless you do a further assessment for it.

think your right on that neverless a nic D.I. should not be doing this.

 

[telectrix]

Hi - I use the IET Electrician's Guide to the Building Regulations and Figure 5.2.2 may be relevant?

View attachment 35278

but that specifically refers to sockets, not FCUs.

 

[Wilko]

Good eyes Tel, that's why I wasn't sure
With the same IP rating the recommended distance might still be 300mm?