Garage Conversion Certification Advice

[ATD]

Good afternoon,

I am a time served domestic electrician but have been factory based for the last 8 years meaning my SJIB card has lapsed.

I am currently converting an internal garage at my house and am doing the electrical work myself.

I am installing 2 new sockets on an existing circuit and moving a light switch.

Will this require a minor works cert or similar? I’m am off the pace with this kind of thing.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Pete999]

Alteration to an existing circuit, Minor new works cert, MNWC
New circuit EIC.

 

[ATD]

Thanks Pete, appreciate it.

 

[Dustydazzler]

If you are talking about the dreaded Partpee , then no your job doesn't sound like it falls under 'notification'

It does still however need to comply with current building and wiring regs , but does not need to be scam notified

 

[ATD]

It’s a bit of a grey area for me. The existing circuits are surface run in PVC conduit. I’d be looking to re run the cables into the partition wall so although it’s teechnivally the same circuit I’d be rewriting it I suppose. The garage has it’s own consumer unit which I intend on keeping.

 

[Pete999]

It’s a bit of a grey area for me. The existing circuits are surface run in PVC conduit. I’d be looking to re run the cables into the partition wall so although it’s teechnivally the same circuit I’d be rewriting it I suppose. The garage has it’s own consumer unit which I intend on keeping.

If you intend ripping the existing out then the replacement will require an EIC.

 

[ATD]

If you intend ripping the existing out then the replacement will require an EIC.

Yeah sorry Pete, should have specified that at the start.

 

[telectrix]

If you intend ripping the existing out then the replacement will require an EIC.

sorry pete. haveto disagree here. the circuit is existing and he's only altering it.albeit with new cable. the OCPD is the origin of the circuit and no matter what he does downstream of that, it's not a new circuit.

 

[Pete999]

sorry pete. haveto disagree here. the circuit is existing and he's only altering it.albeit with new cable. the OCPD is the origin of the circuit and no matter what he does downstream of that, it's not a new circuit.

I'll bow to your considerable knowledge Mate, that was just my take on the situation, in defence though surely disregarding the OCPD, the wiring would be new, so a new circuit, albeit from an existing Consumers unit, but if that's the way it is so be it. Tel is rarely wrong OP so my apologies for my mistake.

 

[telectrix]

to be fair to you pete, , it's a bit of a grey area. as usual with IET, nothing is clearly defined. if your broom has had 14 new handles and 17 new heads, is it still the same broom?

 

[westward10]

If it is totally rewired EIC but if partially rewired MWC so just leave a foot or so in place from the consumer unit

 

[Dustydazzler]

If you remove one cable from an mcb , leave the mcb where it is and pop a new cable into Z mcb is it an existing alteration ?

 

[Pete999]

to be fair to you pete, , it's a bit of a grey area. as usual with IET, nothing is clearly defined. if your broom has had 14 new handles and 17 new heads, is it still the same broom?

Grey area Tel, wouldn't blurred be more appropriate? Let me give another scenario then, if the OP had his existing CU in the Garage, and for arguments sake, the installer had fitted a pare MCB say 20 Amp with no circuit connected, and the OP in his wisdom decided "I'll wire my new sockets from that OCPD" would that be a new circuit, or altering an existing"? Don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from, and you are correct, very confusing, the IET in their wisdom need to clarify this sort of thing, otherwise, there will be loads of unwanted EICs floating around, and Electricians country wide scratching their collective bonces in wonderment at the IET's ineptitude of the real world, what say you Mate?

 

[westward10]

If the circuit is completely rewired, yes.

 

[Pete999]

If it is totally rewired EIC but if partially rewired MWC so just leave a foot or so in place from the consumer unit

If the circuit is completely rewired, yes.

Is that Yes a new circuit or Yes an alteration Westy ?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Yes

 

[westward10]

That was aimed at #12 but your post popped up inbetween. I don't see a grey area at all, complete new circuit or complete rewire of an existing circuit which is no longer existing as it had gone an EIC, alteration to an existing MWC.

 

[Dustydazzler]

If you wire the portion between mcb and say half way but leave the remain half untouched is this new , half new , existing ?

 

[Pete999]

That was aimed at #12 but your post popped up inbetween. I don't see a grey area at all, complete new circuit or complete rewire of an existing circuit which is no longer existing as it had gone an EIC, alteration to an existing MWC.

Ah right thanks for clarifying.

 

[Pete999]

Yes

What?

 

[westward10]

If you wire the portion between mcb and say half way but leave the remain half untouched is this new , half new , existing ?

Alteration to an existing circuit.

 

[Dustydazzler]

What?

Sorry

Not sure where this came from , was trying to reply to another question

 

[Dustydazzler]

Alteration to an existing circuit.

That’s is exactly 100% what I would say.

But Just playing devils advocate for a sec

If you went back say 3 months later and replaced the remaining half would this be another completely different alteration or would this now new be a ‘new’ circuit ?

 

[Dustydazzler]

I fear the answer is back to the triggers broom conundrum

 

[telectrix]

I fear the answer is back to the triggers broom conundrum

egggackly.my dad's axehas had 3 new heads AN 2 HANDLES, BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME LOG PILE.

 

[telectrix]

and why does the caps lcok be next to the "A". why not put it by the "q"?

 

[Pete999]

Sorry

Not sure where this came from , was trying to reply to another question

Oh OK

 

[Midwest]

If you are talking about the dreaded Partpee , then no your job doesn't sound like it falls under 'notification'

It does still however need to comply with current building and wiring regs , but does not need to be scam notified

OP shows his location as Dundee, which I believe is north of the border, so they do things rather differently up there. Not sure, but doubt if he needs a warrant, or whatever it is.