Green Deal & Eco Funds

[sedgy34]

Eco funding would need an Epc to work out the funding then the additional cost they would have to pay to meet the installation cost
If they use green deal finance to pay for the extra towards the Installation cost they will need a GDAR carried out

any of the above the installer will have to be green deal accredited

there is the RHI to look at also

 

[John Barsby]

Just negotiated a deal on Ideal logic 24he boilers inc flue £465+vat.
does that sound ok?

 

[Megavolt]

Just negotiated a deal on Ideal logic 24he boilers inc flue £465+vat.
does that sound ok?

Yes who you got that with

 

[John Barsby]

PTS and I think Plumb Centre are having a look at matching it.
Apparently there is a £90 concession for the 24kw version and a £130 for the 30kw

 

[Gavin A]

Just negotiated a deal on Ideal logic 24he boilers inc flue £465+vat.
does that sound ok?

sounds like it's unlikely to last anything like the lifetime assumed in ECO / Green Deal, and you'll get stung on warranty work.

 

[John Barsby]

Do I have to provide a minimum warranty ?

 

[John Barsby]

Eco fundings down to about 14 / £1

 

[Worcester]

Had interesting chat today with one of the leading people at Domestic & General Insulation ..... They reckon that the Green Deal will be restructured around October to go 100% ECO.

There reasoninig seems to make sense, for the Green Deal to work, the Energy companyies have got a lot to do to structure and manage re-payments etc.

The only actual target that the energy company has is energy reduction around the ECO scheme ..... Why they should they (the energy companies) co-operate with a complicated ill thought out finance scheme that for anybody with any sense it doesn't add up for.. when they can easily meet their obligations with ECO (with processes not too dissimilar from what they operated before)

Also seems that every Cavity Wall they come across now just happens to be 'Hard To Treat / HTT' so just happens to qualify for ECO.... weird that, oh well they I suppose must have done all the easy ones on the old schemes I guess

Now that would make much more sense - give be a grant to do my EWI and forget all this green deal stuff.

 

[Gavin A]

Do I have to provide a minimum warranty ?

dunno mate, you're asking on the sparks forums about a gas boiler - presumably you're pas whatever certified, it should tell you in that documentation somewhere - I think MCS standards are 2 years minimum, so would think that'd be the absolute minimum.

I just remember our ex-heating engineer saying he wouldn't touch them with a barge pole due to the call backs you'd get from them... but I know nowt about it personally.

 

[Gavin A]

Had interesting chat today with one of the leading people at Domestic & General Insulation ..... They reckon that the Green Deal will be restructured around October to go 100% ECO.

There reasoninig seems to make sense, for the Green Deal to work, the Energy companyies have got a lot to do to structure and manage re-payments etc.

The only actual target that the energy company has is energy reduction around the ECO scheme ..... Why they should they (the energy companies) co-operate with a complicated ill thought out finance scheme that for anybody with any sense it doesn't add up for.. when they can easily meet their obligations with ECO (with processes not too dissimilar from what they operated before)

Also seems that every Cavity Wall they come across now just happens to be 'Hard To Treat / HTT' so just happens to qualify for ECO.... weird that, oh well they I suppose must have done all the easy ones on the old schemes I guess

Now that would make much more sense - give be a grant to do my EWI and forget all this green deal stuff.

sounds about right... massive delays in funding to launch a new scheme, resulting in mass lay offs and company bankruptcies, followed shortly afterwards by the scheme being quietly dropped and reverting to essentially the same scheme as before, just under a different name and adminstered in a more free market manner.

got to love the UK's politicians and civil servants eh, if it ain't broke they'll be sure to attempt to fix it.

 

[Eco Deal]

yes you need a two year minuim warranty on boilers

 

[Crusader]

Does anybody know of any companies that currently have eco finance available, one of our providers have let us down and run out of cash!

 

[SRE]

So original Green Deal quietly dies while it's proclaimed to be a success because it's now ECO?

 

[Eco Deal]

Eco funding as gone to the dogs already !

 

[SRE]

What do you mean? Allocated to all the big guys?? Have you seen the Encraft assessment of GD so far - really interesting.

 

[Greenday]

£300 pound for a boiler change and you have to provide £100 of pipe and fittings!

That's a lot of profit to the provider and none to the installer!

No thanks. I can't put a guy in a van and cover his NI fuel and holidays for that and keep up the GDI and all the admin involved.

 

[SRE]

Shameful but not unexpected. Makes my blood boil!

 

[Gavin A]

£300 pound for a boiler change and you have to provide £100 of pipe and fittings!

That's a lot of profit to the provider and none to the installer!

No thanks. I can't put a guy in a van and cover his NI fuel and holidays for that and keep up the GDI and all the admin involved.

so £465 boiler, with £300 installation fee inc parts....... now that's a real recipe for a quality boiler installation that's going to stand the test of time, and not end up with CO poisonings, condensate pipes freezing in winter, etc etc

Can't see how anyone's going to be able to powerflush the heating system for that price either, so the boiler will be gunged up immediately.

I predict lots of angry consumer articles and watchdog reports next winter about all these ECO boilers that are failing and leaving vulnerable householders with no heating in freezing conditions, and the install company is nowhere to be seen for the warranty as they went bust as soon as the eco funding ran out.

£2k is about the right price at the bottom end for a proper quality condensing boiler installation with powerflush, internal condensate drains to prevent winter freezing etc etc from a company that will still be in business to honour the warranty IMO. Maybe you could shave 20-30% off that for bulk, but not 60-70%.

disaster in the making here, people will die from the cold / CO poisoning / gas explosions as a result IMO.

 

[Greenday]

Funds available are much in excess of £2000!

If you have a EPR and refer to ECO brokerage you can work it out for yourself.

Installers won't be getting a fair share though! All geared for BG and the like.

 

[Gavin A]

Funds available are much in excess of £2000!

If you have a EPR and refer to ECO brokerage you can work it out for yourself.

no idea what any of that is, so I assume I can't, or at least can't be bothered.

Installers won't be getting a fair share though! All geared for BG and the like.

yeah, I saw that one coming.

 

[sedgy34]

Interesting

 

[sedgy34]

So greendeal finance is almost available the solar industry will be kick started again won't it

 

[SRE]

With the hikes due in August? I can't see it - can you?

 

[sedgy34]

I sure can mate solar will be just 1 of 3,4,5 different measures on a green deal plan

 

[TedM]

no idea what any of that is, so I assume I can't, or at least can't be bothered.

The EPR tells you how much CO2 is (supposed) to be saved by a new boiler.

GD Brokerage tells you how much an amount of CO2 savings is priced at.

Multiply one by the other to get the GD ECO value of the boiler replacement.

 

[SRE]

Well I certainly hope it does, you've worked hard at it for long enough

 

[sedgy34]

Trouble is where are the greendeal customers lol are they Eco customers in disguise

 

[Greenday]

That's nearly right. Boilers are priced at pounds saving over life of boiler and then auctioned at pence in the pound.

The providers are trying to keep all the real profit but its a risk if they can't fulfil their commitment to brokerage. So installers hang fire especially if you can deliver big numbers!

We all need to make a living and low prices to installers will just deliver crap jobs!

 

[sedgy34]

The providers have had some meetings and I'm assuming have decided together to screw the installer a bit more

 

[Greenday]

I'm talking about ECO! Plenty of enquiries for Green Deal shame system isn't working!

BG obviously not interested whilst they are emptying the ECO pot!

Suspect there will be lots of installer casualties! Only for the brave or stupid!