Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

It's unconventional and ugly, but only a few things that I would be concerned about in the short term. I assume that the property has other redeeming features that offset the need for professional asbestos removal and an obvious re-wire?
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

All I want to know is why would you buy a gaff in a state like that unless you where planning a full restoration.

We were all wondering that, but were too polite to ask .....
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

i think he's mistra know it all by what he,s asking
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

In all honesty though who would pay to have asbestos removed professionally from their house? FFP3 dustmask and burn it ;-)
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

In all honesty though who would pay to have asbestos removed professionally from their house? FFP3 dustmask and burn it ;-)

You have a valid point buried in there. Often no need to pay anyone, just bag it and book a slot with the asbestos container at the council (free) and take it there.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

You have a valid point buried in there. Often no need to pay anyone, just bag it and book a slot with the asbestos container at the council (free) and take it there.

take the missus n kids and turn it into family day out!
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Hi All,


So far I've had two electricians tell me the electrics in our house are the worst they've ever seen. The funny thing is, there is a BS5499-1:2002 consumer unit installed.


First the pictures: http://vsamios.co.uk/pics.pdf


Some backstory: We had a homebuyers report done before buying a property which noted the electrics had had "recent upgrading" - presumably because there is a new consumer unit.


We received an electrical certificate for "test newly installed shower circuit" on an NICEIC form with declaration signed with the notes: "ZE = 0.91, maximum ZS reading is too high, no mechanical protection on shower cable in cupboard"


I've checked with NICEIC, ELECSA and the local councils building control, there is absolutely no record of any works being notified.


I suspect the previous owner did the work himself... and he defo wasn't an electrician.


I'm wondering what if any recourse there is on an unqualified person doing electrical work. I'm also wondering if the electrician who "tested the shower circuit" is responsible for not flagging up issues such as rubber cables going into the consumer unit/other major obvious faults in the house.


Any help hugely appreciated and I hope you enjoy the pictures.
where in shropshire are you?
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

From the pics the wiring looks a bit of a mess, put mildly!

My advise to you would be that before you consider doing anything get someone like Tel (or other local spark who knows what he is doing) in to do a EICR for you. This will establish exactly what the condition/state of your electrics are.

Once you've done that you can decide upon the work requirements going forward!
eh?...

and i suppose you would start getting the MFT out to that would you?

it fails visual...simple as that...i mean theres that many substandard stuff here that i wouldn`t even test it...or bother with the condition report...

it fails visual on so many counts...simple as that..

rewire....
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

cant see why op is trying to blame surveyor or previous owner its so bad he must have seen it prior to purchase only his self to blame imho
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

yep...

certainly knew where to point the camera...
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

From what i can see from those photos, is that the whole property needs renovating, not just the electrics!! How you could not have seen all these obvious electrical cowboy antics when viewing the place is beyond me. I'm wondering why everything is surface, this could could well cost you a good amount of extra money on rewiring if it all needs to go back surface

I'm getting the impression that you are regretting buying this property and looking for some recourse for the the cost of repairs/rewire etc, unfortunately i think you're going to be out of luck!! !!
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

He's probably regretting posting on here. :) Not posted again. I don't think he likes that fact that no one is on his side.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

The only recourse the OP may have is against the surveyor, but if the report suggested a detailed electrical inspection, then he's on his own. Probably not what he wants to hear but the reality of the situation. Fingers crossed he's got deep pockets for his renovation and rewire.

My advice to the OP is get a couple of VERY local competent sparks to work with him over the coming months...........
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

.. it fails visual...simple as that...i mean theres that many substandard stuff here that i wouldn`t even test it...or bother with the condition report...

Gotta disagree with you there. A visual inspection means jack sh*t in my book other than giving an indication of what the installation is like (admitedly in this case from the pics pretty damn poor). The only recognised inspection for me is an EICR which deals with what you can see along with what you cant and gives the customer a factual statement/arguement for what the electrics are like!

Based on that you can then decide the way fwd, unless of course the customer wants a re-wire regardless and is willing to pay for it.

Maye its just me being old fashioned and methodical in my approach to doing business, but I see/hear of too many "electricians" jump quickly into doing this and that with fully substantiating it through use of the defined process (e.g. EICR).
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

All - thanks for your comments (positive and negative, everything helps at this stage)


I've tried to answer as many questions as possible below - I fully accept I was a bit of a plonker with viewing etc, hopefully the below gives a little more context/information.


One question I didn't see comments on (appologies if I missed them) were the implications of somebody carrying out DIY electrical works some time between 2002 and 2008.


be happy to quote you.


And I would be more than happy to accept your offer to quote - I've had two electricians come to quote only to opt-out because it's too complicated. We've had one quote for a full-rewire and making good. I'll PM you.


as so much of this is glaringly obvious even to an untrained eye - what exactly were you doing when you went for a viewing?


I'm a first time buyer and to be totally honest the viewing was quite overwhelming. Like a bambi in headlights. I can't remember much else about the house from the viewing either.


to do a EICR for you. This will establish exactly what the condition/state of your electrics are.


We're resigned to the fact it will require a total rewire from scratch, and a complex one at that. All three electricians who've seen the place agreed it would be best to wire all rooms from the loft-down (including the ground floor) due to the lack of a floor cavity in 2/3rds of the house.


The previous owner should never have had a new consumer unit fitted on that.


I suspect it was a DIY job, which is surely illegal. What is standard practice/recourse with illegal work like this being done?


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Looks like a nice old house. I hope the plumbing is in better condition than the wiring.


It has "character" (although I use that term with a frustrated sigh these days) but the plumbing is good thankfully.


Aye it is just old and needs upgrading, best way is a rewire, how many beds and reception rooms are there fella?


3 Bed, Lounge, Dining, Kitchen, 1 bath, Garage and a small loft room.


All I want to know is why would you buy a gaff in a state like that unless you where planning a full restoration.


Ignorance and inexperience I guess... everything else has a lot of life left in it.


I assume that the property has other redeeming features that offset the need for professional asbestos removal and an obvious re-wire?


It does have redeeming features - 180 degree views of over 40 miles including the Wrekin and Wenlock Edge. A gorgeous inglenook, all three bedrooms are huge. I went in thinking it was an amazing purchase, now I'm not so certain, but I still love the good bits. The only asbestos in the property is the Asbestos Concrete ceiling sheets, and I'm happy (and legally able) to deal with those myself. P3 mask, Type 5 Overalls, wetting agent, etc.


i think he's mistra know it all by what he,s asking


I think the opposite - I've been trying to absorb what everyone is saying but came here to try to clarify a few things and ask a bit of advice. I've been strugling through since August trying to understand everything.


where in shropshire are you?


North East corner


cant see why op is trying to blame surveyor or previous owner its so bad he must have seen it prior to purchase only his self to blame imho


As above - we only viewed two properties before choosing to buy one - we were both inexperienced and not neccessarily mentally present. This is why we paid experts (surveyors) to do a more comprehensive report than the standard valuation, although not a full survey. The surveyors comments were.. get this...


"A degree of upgrading has been carried out"


An electrician was hired 7 days prior to completion to fulfil our request for an electrical certificate for the upgrading - I suspect that electrician was aware of the problems and said "the only thing I can certify is the shower circuit"


The solicitor didn't provide us with the "electrical certificate" until after we completed.


We may have been a bit stupid, I accept that, but the professionals we paid to mitigate our ignorance seem to have screwed up themselves.


certainly knew where to point the camera...


Only since having 3 electricians out.


I'm wondering why everything is surface, this could could well cost you a good amount of extra money on rewiring if it all needs to go back surface


I'm getting the impression that you are regretting buying this property and looking for some recourse for the the cost of repairs/rewire etc, unfortunately i think you're going to be out of luck!! !!


There is no floor cavity in 2/3rds of the house, presumably hence the surface wiring. Although I get the impression even then it defies logic. Much of the upstairs wiring is clearly a DIY add-on.


I'm not regretting buying the property, but I definitely feel frustrated as heck and a bit let down by the professionals involved.


He's probably regretting posting on here. Not posted again. I don't think he likes that fact that no one is on his side.


I was out for the evening - I'm here hoping for some advice, not judgement one way or another. (ie. on my side or not)


Fingers crossed he's got deep pockets for his renovation and rewire.


Everything went to the deposit unfortunately. Even a rewire on an average property would be painful, rewiring this thing is crippling.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

I'm not sure why this has been moved to the DIY electrical forum - I'm definitely not looking to do the work myself.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Thanks for the reply VinceS and I apologise if my post came across as harsh. Sometimes I come across as a pillock but it wasn't meant to be a dig at you.
I really hope that you get this sorted. I'm very intrigued as to the outcome, especially as most of the house doesn't have any floor cavity
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Thanks for the reply VinceS and I apologise if my post came across as harsh. Sometimes I come across as a pillock but it wasn't meant to be a dig at you.
I really hope that you get this sorted. I'm very intrigued as to the outcome, especially as most of the house doesn't have any floor cavity

To be honest I fully expected people to have a bit of a dig - the electrics are so shockingly bad yet somehow I managed to find myself buying the property - believe me I have a dig at myself daily about ending up in this mess.
 
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I'm not sure why this has been moved to the DIY electrical forum - I'm definitely not looking to do the work myself.

It just means you're not an electrician, not that you intend undertaking the work yourself!!
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Im sure you will get it sorted mate. The only problem you have is how much its going to cost you...
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Back to the OP. your best course of action IS to get quotes for a FULL rewire. Sure it'll cost but its all about good foundations - get a decent rewire done over the next months and you won't regret it.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Back to the OP. your best course of action IS to get quotes for a FULL rewire. Sure it'll cost but its all about good foundations - get a decent rewire done over the next months and you won't regret it.

Yeah the impression I get is it would cost more to try to salvage some parts of the wiring than it would to go from scratch, and starting from scratch would give a better end result. Now that things have been pointed out to me I can see the severity. For example even some of the "newer" cables running along and in contact with heating pipes, which I'm told is a no-no...
 
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Your wiring just sounds better and better everytime you mention it mate..... :)
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Your wiring just sounds better and better everytime you mention it mate..... :)

Ha, another poster joked about my taking 45 photos, but really 45 photos isn't enough. :-(
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

just to put your mind at rest. i have seen worse.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

looking forward it. i do love a challenge.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Yeah the impression I get is it would cost more to try to salvage some parts of the wiring than it would to go from scratch, and starting from scratch would give a better end result. Now that things have been pointed out to me I can see the severity. For example even some of the "newer" cables running along and in contact with heating pipes, which I'm told is a no-no...


Best advice I can give is to get the rewire you need. Look at it this way, before you fully move in you can have all the correct amount of sockets, switches, light fittings where you want/need them and it will last 25+ years! The house value will increase beyond the cost of the rewire and you have a more salable property in years to come. Ok it may cost you a bit of money now, but in years to come you will make more profit than the electrician did lol (fact).


Good luck with it and keep us posted.

ps We like it when people like you in your position keeps us informed, thank you.
 
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Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

We were in the same boat, new house wiring was all unsafe due primarily to rodent damage, and the fittings were all probably 50 years old. The only thing that's a shame about rewiring straight away is you don't have a chance to get used to the house and plan what sockets and circuits you'll need.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

We were in the same boat, new house wiring was all unsafe due primarily to rodent damage, and the fittings were all probably 50 years old. The only thing that's a shame about rewiring straight away is you don't have a chance to get used to the house and plan what sockets and circuits you'll need.
Who said its needed immediately?
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Ha, another poster joked about my taking 45 photos, but really 45 photos isn't enough. :-(

That was meeeeeeeeeee, I did say about it been in jest, I do feel for you regarding the wiring, but I think you will feel better after meeting telectrix I am sure he will sit down with you and explain it clearly about the best way to go forward.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Who said its needed immediately?
Good point, I don't know the OP's circumstances. Our house was unsafe, and also unoccupied and unfurnished with access to all roof spaces and under floors to facilitate wood preservation works.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Good point, I don't know the OP's circumstances. Our house was unsafe, and also unoccupied and unfurnished with access to all roof spaces and under floors to facilitate wood preservation works.

You, by admission, are not a sparky so lets hear from the pros shall we?
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Vince ... life a learning curve we all have made similar gaffs on our first buy....

Depending on money ... if you wish to keep the featured beams etc you could consider having a floating floor fitted upstairs this will solve a lot of issues with wiring and sometimes can be cost effective with future issues or additions be it electrical, plumbing etc etc ....
 
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yep. ,,,,,
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Telectrix came to do a quote for me today - very nice guy. For the first time an electrician has made me feel like it's a manageable job.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

Great news, sounds like you have found an electrician you're comfortable with and I personally have no doubt that Telectrix will do a decent job at a fair price.
 
Re: I bought a house - major electrical problems. Great pics inside, advice appreciat

There's a few on here that I would entrust my gaff to and tell would be top of my list
 

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